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@markdartj wrote:
OK, ComcastTeds, I read the link. 57 cents apparently we are already paying for FOX SPORTS ONE, yet I didn't notice much of a change in my monthly bill. The author estimated FOX SPORTS 2 will cost one third of that. So, round it up to 60, that would be 20 cents a month. For me, that wouldn't be a deal breaker whether I keep my cable or not. I give away more than that in loose change daily. (I hate carrying coins in my pocket). So you are keeping us from watching what we want to see over 20 cents a month? This is why you couldn't just say it in your post, instead giving a link that most people will skip over? All this negativity and dissatisfaction with COMCAST over TWENTY FRIGGIN PENNIES A MONTH? I am just about speechless. I'll tell you what. I'll pay Forty cents a month more to get FOX SPORTS 2, then somebody who really objects to a 20 cent raise in their bill won't have to pay it. You people have no concept whatever about customer service. This has just gone to insanity.
The cost would be x cents times 21 million customers (per month)..... that is where the issue and concern is; passing those costs along to all of our customers regardless of their interest.
Thanks for taking the time to read the links.
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@SpeedBuggy wrote:
Put Fox Sports2 and MAV TV into a sports or Outdoor package like Dish does with MAV TV and charge a couple bucks extra, Other systems do it, so dont say you can't.
That may be the theme of any current discussions and negotiations.
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Just wanted to recap, consolidate and summarize the current situation with Fox Sports 2 that some may find helpful.
Below is not new information and most all has been posted previously in earlier posts - just putting it all in one place;
We certainly realize that anything short of a post that says "Comcast is adding Fox Sports 2 in all areas on this date and your monthly cable bill won't go up" will not be a satisfactory answer for most.
We don't have any announcements to make regarding additional locations for the addition of Fox Sports 2 at this time. We also don't have an expected date for an announcement for the Fox Sports 2 in additional Comcast areas. I'm not currently aware of any decisions to remove or add Fox Sports 2 in any locations. Any potential channel additions or deletions would be communicated ahead of time according to any FCC and local franchise requirements.
Comcast does offer Fox Sports 2 in some markets based on some existing contractual obligations.
There are other video providers (likely in your area) that may offer Fox Sports 2.
Our content and programming teams are in regular contact with Fox on many topics, including possible additional distribution for Fox Sports 2. The conversations are ongoing. A contract and agreement to terms is required before we can offer any channel to our customers. These need to be terms that make sense for both parties and for our customers.
All channels, regardless of affiliation, are required to go through the same application and approval process in order to be carried by Comcast.
Our programming teams and local management teams constantly evaluate programming choices and make decisions based on customer interests, costs, channel bandwidth management and contractual obligations.
As with any network contract, we want to come to an agreement that offers the best terms for our customers and our company that keeps both our costs and our customer's monthly costs to a minimum. Any possible addition of any new network would also most likely incur additional costs to Comcast that would be passed along to our customers. As mentioned above, those additional costs are one of the factors in considering adding any new network.
Generally, new networks want to be added to a very widely distributed level of service for the potential of the most eyeballs (ratings) and advertising revenue. That means that the costs would be spread across all of the customers that have that channel in their level of service, not just to those who want to pay individually for that specific service or via a separate Sports Package.
Of course, situations may change based on customer demand, channel bandwidth opportunities, business opportunities, costs and contractual obligations. The Comcast employees who participate in these forums certainly pass along collective feedback, interests and concerns to those teams. This forum is not the sole source of customer input.
ONLINE ACCESS
The current contract terms with Fox only allow online access to Fox Sports 2 for customers who have that channel (Fox Sports 2) in their level of service.
That is how most all cable networks operate and this situation is standard across all video providers.
Below from the Fox Sports Go site: http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsportsgo/
Live streams of all the FOX Sports Networks are available at no additional cost to fans who receive FOX Sports as part of their TV subscription through participating TV providers. If you get FOX Sports 1, FOX Sports 2, and FOX sports regional channels at home, you've got access!
If you are interested in both sides of the story, you should also ask Fox Sports 2 why they don't have more distribution on Comcast and other video providers, you can do that here: http://msn.foxsports.com/feedback
Apologies that Fox has chosen to put some of their high profile events on one of their least distributed cable channels.
It takes two parties to negotiate and come to an equitable agreement for carriage of any cable network. Below is a quote from Mediacomm (a peer video provider) from early 2013 that I think helps illustrate the situation.
“Contrary to accusations by industry critics, cable companies are reluctant to raise video subscriber rates because when we do, we lose customers. Mediacom does not make more money when we raise video prices, since we remit virtually every penny of the increase on to the content owners. Over the last three years, the increase in our programming costs was more than double the increase in video revenues, even after taking our subscriber rate increases and equipment charges into account.”
While contracts with our programmers are indeed proprietary and confidential, a quick internet search will provide some ballpark information around estimated pricing for this network per subscriber.
http://www.whatyoupayforsports.com/2013/07/fox-sports-1-will-add-0-57-to-your-monthly-tv-bill/
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/raissman-murdoch-suits-gambling-out-fox-espn-article-1.1279503
I cannot confirm-deny-endorse the information in the above but I thought it would be helpful for others to review.
Generally in addition to per subscriber fees, there are additional capital costs incurred (equipment and such) as well as any opportunity costs (what else could we use that bandwidth for). This is no different than most other businesses who evaluate their costs and potential customer impacts.
I hope that the above helps to explain some of the ”whys”.
Unfortunately, it’s not always as easy as saying, “hey, some of our customers want this programming, let’s put it on and pay whatever the costs are and pass those costs along to all of our customers”.
If and when we have additional news to announce regarding Fox Sports 2, we will certainly do so here and in other places.
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@markdartj wrote:
TWENTY CENTS!
Generally in addition to per subscriber fees, there are additional capital costs incurred (equipment and such) as well as any opportunity costs (what else could we use that bandwidth for). This is no different than most other businesses who evaluate their costs and potential customer impacts.
Your feedback and passion have been noted.
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@SpeedBuggy wrote:
The issue here is the lack of Local Management. It is mentioned in this thread but there is notheing local about this forum, as it's being moterated by someone in Philly and I'm in Washington State. You go into your local office and instead of someone in the know. you get phone numbers from people thousands of miles away. If there is local management they are being shielded from their customers. I have been involved in requesting Fox Sports 2 and MAV TV. Funny that MAV TV is in Philly. Western Washington is a hot bed for Sprint Car racing, a staple on MAV TV. But someone 3000 miles away won't know that.
As stated a few times in this thread...
The Comcast programming teams and local management teams constantly evaluate programming choices and make decisions based on customer interests, costs, channel bandwidth management and contractual obligations. The Comcast employees who participate in these forums certainly pass along your collective feedback, interests and concerns to those teams.
As with any business, situations may change based on customer demand, channel bandwidth opportunities, business opportunities, costs and contractual obligations.
Costs and customer feedback have a lot to do with any programming decision.
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@ken0965 wrote:
They are more worried about trying to get all of Charters and Time Warner subcribers then they are worried about the subcribers they have now.So after they get everyones subcribers they will be to big for anyone to get customer service.Oh wait they don't have any customer service now.They need to have someone on these fourms from all the states that they cover,not just Ted that is someplace in the Bahamas. She don't like it when we post links to just show what really is going on.After she deletes them she say don't know what you are talking about.
@brucekrell wrote:
Nearly 1/3 through the racing season and yet to have heard a formalized response from Comcast concerning negotiations with Fox Sports to host their FS2 channel as part of their channel lineup. What is the status and when will action be taken?
Man, I really wish I was in the Bahamas.
I usually leave a reason when a post is removed, usually due to a violation of the Forum Posting Guidelines:
http://forums.comcast.com/t5/Forum-Guidelines/Posting-Guidelines/td-p/866289
Most business contact negotiations are confidential. Once Comcast and Fox have additional information to share, we certainly will.
Thanks for the feedback.
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@brucekrell wrote:
Nearly 1/3 through the racing season and yet to have heard a formalized response from Comcast concerning negotiations with Fox Sports to host their FS2 channel as part of their channel lineup. What is the status and when will action be taken?
Apologies. No new update to share since post 697 on the previous page.
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@ken0965 wrote:
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@SpeedBuggy wrote:
The issue here is the lack of Local Management. It is mentioned in this thread but there is notheing local about this forum, as it's being moterated by someone in Philly and I'm in Washington State. You go into your local office and instead of someone in the know. you get phone numbers from people thousands of miles away. If there is local management they are being shielded from their customers. I have been involved in requesting Fox Sports 2 and MAV TV. Funny that MAV TV is in Philly. Western Washington is a hot bed for Sprint Car racing, a staple on MAV TV. But someone 3000 miles away won't know that.
As stated a few times in this thread...
The Comcast programming teams and local management teams constantly evaluate programming choices and make decisions based on customer interests, costs, channel bandwidth management and contractual obligations. The Comcast employees who participate in these forums certainly pass along your collective feedback, interests and concerns to those teams.
As with any business, situations may change based on customer demand, channel bandwidth opportunities, business opportunities, costs and contractual obligations.
Costs and customer feedback have a lot to do with any programming decision.
Just how much feedback do you need? You will not give us what it would cost so just how do you know people would not want it? Don't copy and paste your what you have already posted.Give us Facts!
There is certainly customer interest and passion.
That is an important factor but not the only factor as I explained above. Conversations and discussions are ongoing. Thanks for your feedback.
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@markdartj wrote:
Thanks for your feedback.
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@denidedfueltv wrote:
I was thinking about this the other day.
As comcast customers we are paying for FS1 & FS2 but not getting FS2, though others around the country do get FS2. I think that is discrimination and we are paying for something and not receiving it.
I think everyone who is cheated by Comcast by not delivering FS2 should band together and file a class action law suit against Comcast.
I'm going to check around and see if I can get some information from a lawyer.
I'm tired of trying to watch a UFC fight on FS1 and the program preceeding it runs late and they say "you can see the UFC Prelims starting now on FS2"
Well, I don't get FS2 so I am being cheated.
Thanks for allowing me the opportunity to clarify.
The costs of any channel are spread across all of the customers that have that channel in their level of service.
If you don't have Fox Sports 2 in your channel lineup then of course you are not paying for it at all.
If you do have Fox Sports 2 in your channel lineup then it is already included in your monthly bundled service charges.
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