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MB8611 OFDM PLC pwr (dBmv) too low

For the last month or so my 21-month old MB8611 has been "going down" or restarting 3-6 times per day and I lose connection for about 5 minutes, it's very frustrating. Prior to this, I had reliable service here for at least 15 years. In digging deeper today, I found another post here titled, "MB8611 OFDM PLC pwr (dBmv) too high" and all my Downstream Bonded Channels data looks identical to theirs except mine has a minus sign in front of the Pwr (dBmV) values which puts the OFDM PLC channel at -16.1. Could this be the cause of my connection issue? 

Channel Lock Status Modulation Channel ID Freq. (MHz) Pwr (dBmV) SNR (dB) Corrected Uncorrected
   1 Locked QAM256 28 579.0 -5.2 41.7 0 0
   2 Locked QAM256 13 489.0 -2.7 43.6 0 0
   3 Locked QAM256 14 495.0 -2.8 43.3 0 0
   4 Locked QAM256 15 501.0 -2.7 43.5 0 0
   5 Locked QAM256 16 507.0 -3.0 43.3 0 0
   6 Locked QAM256 17 513.0 -3.2 43.2 0 0
   7 Locked QAM256 18 519.0 -3.5 43.0 0 0
   8 Locked QAM256 19 525.0 -3.9 42.7 0 0
   9 Locked QAM256 20 531.0 -4.5 42.3 0 0
   10 Locked QAM256 21 537.0 -4.3 42.4 0 0
   11 Locked QAM256 22 543.0 -5.1 42.0 0 0
   12 Locked QAM256 23 549.0 -4.6 42.2 0 0
   13 Locked QAM256 24 555.0 -4.9 42.0 0 0
   14 Locked QAM256 25 561.0 -4.7 42.1 0 0
   15 Locked QAM256 26 567.0 -4.6 42.1 0 0
   16 Locked QAM256 27 573.0 -5.1 41.8 0 0
   17 Locked QAM256 29 585.0 -5.9 41.1 0 0
   18 Locked QAM256 30 591.0 -6.1 41.1 0 0
   19 Locked QAM256 31 597.0 -6.2 40.7 0 0
   20 Locked QAM256 32 603.0 -6.1 40.8 0 0
   21 Locked QAM256 33 609.0 -6.1 40.8 0 0
   22 Locked QAM256 34 615.0 -6.2 40.7 0 0
   23 Locked QAM256 35 621.0 -6.1 40.8 0 0
   24 Locked QAM256 36 627.0 -6.6 40.5 0 0
   25 Locked QAM256 37 633.0 -6.7 40.5 0 0
   26 Locked QAM256 38 639.0 -7.0 40.2 0 0
   27 Locked QAM256 39 645.0 -7.5 39.8 0 0
   28 Locked QAM256 40 651.0 -7.0 40.3 0 0
   29 Locked QAM256 41 657.0 -7.6 39.8 0 0
   30 Locked QAM256 42 663.0 -7.1 40.4 0 0
   31 Locked QAM256 43 669.0 -7.4 40.1 0 0
   32 Locked QAM256 44 675.0 -7.2 38.9 0 0
   33 Locked OFDM PLC 193 957.0 -16.1 34.0 50477153 12

 Channel Lock Status Channel Type Channel ID Symb. Rate (Ksym/sec) Freq. (MHz) Pwr (dBmV)
   1 Locked SC-QAM 17 5120 16.4 47.3
   2 Locked SC-QAM 18 5120 22.8 47.5
   3 Locked SC-QAM 19 5120 29.2 48.0
   4 Locked SC-QAM 20 5120 35.6 48.8

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2 years ago

... MB8611 has been "going down" or restarting 3-6 times per day ...

The OFDM downstream channel is indeed out of spec, the QAM downstream channels are lowish to borderline/out of spec, and the upstream channel power levels are higher than we would like to see them. Network connection like this are often due to poor coax connections or damaged coax cable, usually in or near your home. Running the cable through a surge protector, a defective splitter, or too many splitters can cause signal problems as well. If there is an amplifier in the line make sure it's getting power. 

If you want to troubleshoot this yourself, please see Internet Troubleshooting Tips. If you can't find the problem or you'd rather have Comcast take care of it and an employee does not respond to your message here, call them at the phone number on your bill or 1-800-Comcast, or use one of the options on https://www.xfinity.com/support/contact-us/. It's not likely they can fix the problem remotely. If not, insist they send a tech out to identify the cause and correct it.

If the tech finds bad coax, splitters, amplifiers, or connections in your home (even if Comcast originally supplied them) you'll probably have to pay for the visit (approx $100) unless you have their Service Protection Plan ( https://www.xfinity.com/support/articles/service-protection-plan, closed to customers that don't already have it). If the trouble is due to a faulty Comcast rental device or anything outside your home you shouldn't be charged.

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This is excellent information, thank you for the fast reply @BruceW ! I'll plan to throw on the spelunking gear and check out the crawlspace in the next couple of days. I'll post an update when I know more. 

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1 year ago

Hi,

I have exact the same problem with my MB8611 on 1Gbps-speed plan.

All 32 QAM channels have average -4 to -6dBmV signal levels, SNR over 38dB ,but the OFDM channel’s  only has -18dBmV with ~31dB SNR. The discrepancy of signal strength between QAM and OFDM is over 12dBmV. OFDM got tons of uncorrectables and once that number hits the limit it will trigger the reboot….

Any findings on your case ? Looks to me the OFDM coming out form Comcast CMTS is not that great at those 957Mhz range..

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Hello there @user_5fb81w!  We are glad to take a closer look at things for you.  No worries!  We are here to ensure that you are having the best experience with your service.  Please feel free to shoot us a DM so that we can continue this conversation.  

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1 year ago

@user_5fb81w 

Here's how to send a direct message (private message);


Click "Sign In" if necessary.
 
Click the "Direct Message" icon  in the upper right corner or https://forums.xfinity.com/direct-messaging  
 
Click the "New message" (pencil and paper) icon.
 
The "To:" line prompts you to "Type the name of a person". Instead, type "Xfinity Support" there.
 
As you are typing a drop-down list appears. Select "Xfinity Support" from that list.
 
An "Xfinity Support" graphic replaces the "To:" line.
 
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1 year ago

@user_5fb81w @XfinityArmand 

Please circle back here and post any possible solutions for the issue here in these open forums so that all readers here may benefit from the exchange / info. This is in keeping with the spirit for which these public help forums were originally intended. Thank you.

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1 year ago

No solution yet so far.

First tech(Comcast “contractor”) on-site Thursday put the blame on the modem(MB8611)I have  is not on Comcast so-called  “Genes network project” or something( I guess it’s referring to 10G plan) and I told him I only on 1Gbps plan.

2nd tech(from Comcast) come after I insisted and did ran OFDM check on signal coming into my house and saw some red so he ordered a ticket to their “network team” to replace a network box located across the street.

After that , there is an overall ~2.5dBmV improvement of signal power across all QAM and OFDM channels but the discrepancy between the two still >11 to 12 dBmV and interruptions still exit.

Looks to me MB8611’s OFDM is operating at 957Mhz range , some what bit  higher than some of the other “10G” certified modem which OFDM is around 7XXMhz closing to QAM channels. 

Need Comcast expertises on this forum to chime in provide some insights and/or possible cause and solutions, put some amp somewhere along the path in CMTS?

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@user_5fb81w I hope your day is going well. I see the work in your area has been completed. How has your connection been today? 

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1 year ago

Problem(internet connection on/off) still exit.

Modem still show low signal level ONLY on OFDM channel, at ~-17dBmV , SNR ~30, tons of correctables & uncorrectables.

Is it Really that MB8611 and Comcast so-called “10G” network does not work together any more ? 

Looks like there are there is a spike of Mb8611 connection drop complains on this forum starting this year since 10G roll out.

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Thank you for reaching back out to us  @user_5fb81w! While the MB8611 is not eligible for the next generation speeds, it is still compatible with our services. Please send us a message in our open direct message thread we’d love to continue assisting you there. 

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@user_5fb81w​  Something to look for while they are working on it.  Is there a splitter involved in your house, like a comscope 5-1002Mhz spliter?  You'll get some signal roll off on the top end.  You're running at 957Mhz.  

I bench tested a few of these with an arbitrary signal generator.  If it's just a straight run to where where the coax enters the residence, then it's just going to be upstream from you.

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1 year ago

There is only one splitter (brand name Extreme 5-1002Mhz) installed by Comcast before ,one output to cable TV, one to modem.

OFDM (957Mhz) number is way too low (-18dBmV), probably not by roll off from splitter.

All other QAM256 channels are on the low side also , -4 or 5dBmV at ~400/500Mhz, and then ~8dBmV when it close to 700Mhz.

Seems like signal is still kind of sloppy for all spectrum before going into the house as tech on-site tested(shown some red) weeks ago.

Not sure whether Comcast can pull those data remotely and adjust the signal level(amp) along the path of their HFC network before going into the house.

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@user_5fb81w​  For a test, I'd bypass the splitter and see what you get.

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1 year ago

Surprisingly got a voicemail call on this Saturday, presumably from Comcast(510-856-2010) saying:

  We are calling to advise your that our technicians identified and corrected an issue related to the service problem that you reported......

Check back modem signal power level, every channel (QAM256 and OFDM) ALL up by ~12dBmV! and no more uncorrectable codes on OFDM channel anymore!

Although the power level discrepancy between QAM channels Vs OFDM still ~10dBmV ( +5 dBmV for QAM Vs ~-5.X dBmV for OFDM) , there is no internet drop so far.

No details mentioned in the voicemail what Xfinify did on the drop and headend.

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