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Monday, January 9th, 2023 1:22 AM

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Motorola MB8611 modem keeps restarting - firmware issue

I have owned my own Motorola MB8611 cable modem since September 2022, and since the middle of December 2022 it has been restarting multiple times per day. After a lot of troubleshooting, I figured out that it is related to the firmware, aka software. With Firmware 8611-19.2.20 it is stable, but then Xfinity updates it to 8611-21.3.7. The update causes it to reset, disrupting my internet service for a few minutes. Then the modem restarts a few times within an hour, disrupting the internet service every time. After two restarts, the firmware reverts to 8611-19.2.20, and my internet service works until Xfinity detects that the firmware needs to be updated (usually a few hours). The firmware gets updated to 8611-21.3.7, and the resetting process repeats on and on. I tried resetting the modem by pressing the reset button, and this doesn't stop this problem from happening.

Based on what I've read in this forum, this is a VERY COMMON issue.

Can you help me, and everyone else with this modem, solve this issue so our internet is stable again? Is it an issue with Xfinity or an issue with Motorola? I have temporarily switched back to my old cable modem, but I'd like to be able to use this MB8611 modem because it is capable of much faster speeds than my old modem.

Thanks.

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2 years ago

I do think something is going on, but it's not a universal problem. I got an MB8611 on December 8, 2022, along with Xfinity Internet service starting on the 9th. My modem firmware was at 8611-19.2.20 when I got it. On January 2, 2023, my firmware was updated to 8611-21.3.7. I had no issues with the previous version. The was up from the day of installation until the firmware update rebooted it (~ three weeks). It has been up since that update without any issues, except when I rebooted it a few times (from the MB8611 Security button to reboot). I did that because I noticed that a script on my firewall/router wasn't getting executed at the correct time, and, therefore, didn't reliably pick up the correct WAN IP address. Since I fixed the script a few days ago, the cable modem (CM) is up and solid for me.

So I'm wondering what is happening for everyone else. Especially the toggling between 8611-19.2.20 and 8611-21.3.7. If the firmware file were corrupt when the cable modem got it from the Xfinity file server, I would expect it to reject it outright. (That's assuming the file is checked by a checksum or the like.) Since the firmware gets applied, I assume it was OK. At this point, it should be stored in the CM's NAND memory (i.e., permanent memory akin to an SSD). You should be able to reboot it dozens of times without reverting back to the previous version. Since it does, maybe the firmware update had an issue (like failing a secondary checksum test). Another possibility is the CM's NAND memory is bad, the firmware is corrupted, and it can't be loaded correctly. In this case, reverting to the factory default - 8611-19.2.20 - would be a way to recover. (The latter would be covered by the warranty. I have no idea how to test that.)

I'm also starting to wonder if the new firmware version is less tolerant of issues with the coax signal than the predecessor. That could be causing the CM to reboot in an attempt to recover. Just for fun, here are the current Connection statistics for my MB8611. Compare them to what you see on yours. I'd be curious what the differences are.

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@NoGoodNamesLeft4Me​ My connection statistics are very similar to yours, except my downstream power is around -2 to 0. No splitters in the line. They were removed during troubleshooting by a technician. Another technician also replaced the underground cable to my house. So it seems we have eliminated all issues except for this firmware issue that is affecting many people. Everything works great with my old modem, except that the old modem is old, so it limits the speed to around 300 Mbps. With the new (MB8611) modem, I was getting over 900 Mbps consistently.

Is anyone from Xfinity monitoring these threads and seeing how many people have this same issue? There seems to be a problem between Motorola and Xfinity, and we are all hoping you can resolve it.

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I have this exact same issue. Motorola has given up and is replacing it. Comcast can’t find anything.

 Just a garbage modem.

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@NoGoodNamesLeft4Me​ Can you confirm your hardware version? I'm starting to wonder if that may be a piece of the puzzle.

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@cajual​   How can it be garbage when it's been working fine for many people & bulletproof for years until the last couple of months?

It's a configuration issue & Comcast  & Moto needs to get on the same page.

If u think throwing out a perfectly good piece of hardware because of 'communication' issue is a smart thing to do, who's to say that future new configuration changes won't be communicated clearly to your new modem vendor - Xfinity themselves included - also?

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@zombiexl​ Its a software issue. 19.2.20 I have zero disconnects, until Xfinity forces 21.3.7 than i get 6-8 disconnects throughout the day.

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2 years ago

I too have been experiencing the same issues with my mb8611. It has been a pretty solid modem but within the last couple months, the amounts of disconnects/reboots has gone up quite alot. I've noticed mine is constantly upgrading/downgrading the firmware as well.

I was fed up with this (thought it was an issue with Xfinity) and the data cap so I switched over to WOW. Well the modem is doing the same exact thing on WOW's network. This leads me to believe that it is 100% an issue with the modem. WOW provides a free gateway with their 1.2gb plan (and no data caps) so I'll be switching over to their free modem tomorrow to stop this annoying issue. 

My suggestion for others with this modem is to get rid of it.

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2 years ago

I have the mb8611 with current firmware 21.3.7, performs flawlessly for me, if your convinced its the firmware reboot it with nothing attached to it for a test, or at a minimum just a firestick or similar,for some activity,  no router, computer etc, if it still reboots i would suspect firmware and or modem, if it doesn't you solved your problem....

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@Jlavaseur​ 

The router isnt going to cause the modem to upgrade/downgrade it's firmware. Your test makes no sense.

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2 years ago

I just called and spoke to Motorola customer support and the lady (Jillian, super friendly btw!) told me that they are well aware of the firmware issue on some mb8611 modems and asked if I had Xfinity service. They are shipping me a new modem and I have to return the old one within 30 days. She said the new modem should not be affected by the firmware issue.

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@user_2edda3​ I would very much love to know if that solves your issue. One of my guesses is that it was an issue with specific MB8611s. Mine's been updated to the latest firmware (on Jan 2nd) and has been working without issues (I just got Xfinity service in December, so that is not a huge testing length).

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@user_2edda3​ This is very helpful! Glad to hear that Motorola is aware of the issue and that they are sending you a new modem. I hope it works! I'll get in touch with Motorola to see if they can help me also. Thanks for sharing your experience.

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@NoGoodNamesLeft4Me​ I bought my mb8611 on 5/31/21 so its been almost 2 years with it. I wonder what they changed and when they did it.

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@user_2edda3​ they claim a 2 year warranty so I'd RMA it. I've had mine since about the same time as well and it has rebooting issues like others in this post.

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I did the same thing and it did not fix the issue. All they're concerned about is getting their old modem back once you start the RMA process.

"The ISP is aware of the issue and is pushing firmware updates out regionally across their network to resolve the issue. The update should hopefully reach your region within a timely manner. 

That is all the information we have been provided by Comcast."

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@user_2edda3  It would eliminate any possibility of a conflict on your network, it might not make sense to you, but mine works…

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@Jlavaseur​ A conflict on your internal LAN will not cause a modem to disconnect randomly or reboot or upgrade/downgrade its own firmware. 

I just spoke to someone at Motorola and they are aware that some mb8611 modems have a problem with the firmware.

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@user_2edda3  How would you actually know if you didn’t try, yet again mine works flawlessly…. 

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@Jlavaseur​ Are you an Xfinity support person? Are you reading from a script? LOL

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Guy sounds like a broken record.

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@Jlavaseur​ post your connection time and software version........

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Absolutely not, but I did spend a couple of nights in a Holiday Inn Express….

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@user_2edda3  You tried WOW, different isp, they probably downloaded to your modem there version of the firmware, yet your equipment is probably all hooked up in the exact same configuration, same issue….

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Hello @user_d77dfd
Thanks for reaching out to us here on the Xfinity Forums for support with this issue. Reviewing this thread, it sounds like it may be an issue with the modem itself, but if you would like, we would be more than happy to check over everything on our end as well just to be sure nothing gets missed. :)
Feel free to send us a DM with your first/last name and service address so we can help! 

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@XfinityTambrey​ Thanks, I just sent a DM.

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2 years ago

Hmm, I'm having the exacts same sort of issue with my Motorola MB8611, although it is connected to a router.

How are you guys figuring out what firmware, etc it has on it?   Do I need to connect a laptop direct to the modem itself (bypassing my router)?

I did just order a 3.1 Arris modem but it hasn't shown up yet.  

@user_2edda3 please let us know how that replacement modem works out!

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@primerGrey​ 

Go to 192.168.100.1 and it will tell you after you login. The default credentials are admin/motorola.

The free modem WOW provides with the 1.2gig service has been working great and I haven't had a disconnect since activating it. The new mb8611 will arrive on Tuesday and if I activate it, I'll report back with how well it works/doesn't work.

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Add me to the growing this of people with the MB8611 and these disconnects.  Everything was fine until I upgraded the modem (which the only reason I did so was because Comcast claims my existing modem would no longer be supported).  The MB8611 is listed as a compatible modem, right??

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@djglxxii​ It is listed as compatible and mine is doing the same thing. There are hundreds, if not thousands of reports of this across here and reddit. The one thing they all seem to have in common is Comcast. I went and picked up an XB8, because they gave me it free for month to test with (after 3 or 4 calls).

So far, no issues at all. Still using my same router and networking equipment.

I only plan to use the modem they gave me for a few weeks before I'm convinced this is being done on purpose. In the meantime, I plan to contact Motorola next week as well to see what they can do. 

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With thousands of users down, how hard can it be to debug this?   Maybe time to pay attention to those fiber mailings I keep getting from AT&T...

I was able to get to the modem's login page after multiple tries (it kept rebooting before I could login).

Device Information    
   Cable Specification Version DOCSIS 3.1
  
   Hardware Version V1.0
  
   Software Version 8611-21.3.7
  
   CM Certificate Installed
  
    Prod_21.3_d31   

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Event log after a failure:

Time Not Established   Critical (3)   CMSTATUS:US_Diplexer_Mode_Change:Fixed Initial, 5-42MHz.
    Time Not Established   Critical (3)   SYNC Timing Synchronization failure - Failed to acquire QAM/QPSK symbol timing;;CM-MAC=[Edited: "Personal Information"];CMTS-MAC=00:00:00:00:00:00;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1;
    Time Not Established   Critical (3)   CMSTATUS:DS_Diplexer_Mode_Change_Ignored:TLV-21.2, 258MHz.
    Time Not Established   Critical (3)   CMSTATUS:DS_Diplexer_Mode_Change_Ignored:TLV-21.3, 1002MHz.
    Time Not Established   Critical (3)   CMSTATUS:US_Diplexer_Mode_Change:TLV-21.1, 5-42MHz.
    Time Not Established   Notice (6)   Honoring MDD; IP provisioning mode = IPv6
    Time Not Established   Critical (3)   CMSTATUS:DS_Diplexer_Mode_Change_Ignored:TLV-84.2, 108MHz.
    Time Not Established   Critical (3)   CMSTATUS:DS_Diplexer_Mode_Change_Ignored:TLV-84.3, 1002MHz.
    Time Not Established   Critical (3)   CMSTATUS:US_Diplexer_Mode_Change:TLV-84.1, 5-42MHz.
    20:43:02
Sat Jan 14 2023
  Notice (6)   DS profile assignment change. DS Chan ID: 32; Previous Profile: ; New Profile: 1 2 3.;CM-MAC=[Edited: "Personal Information"];CMTS-MAC=[Edited: "Personal Information"];CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1;

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@primerGrey​ 

Please redact all of the CM MAC and the CMTS MAC addresses in your error log entries for your privacy. They are considered to be personal information. The posting of personally identifiable information is a violation of their forum guidelines. The forum bot will not allow your post to be seen publically. It flagged your post as "Private".

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@EG​ 

Time Not Established   Critical (3)   CMSTATUS:US_Diplexer_Mode_Change:Fixed Initial, 5-42MHz.
    Time Not Established   Critical (3)   SYNC Timing Synchronization failure - Failed to acquire QAM/QPSK symbol timing;;CM-MAC=XX;CMTS-MAC=YY;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1;
    Time Not Established   Critical (3)   CMSTATUS:DS_Diplexer_Mode_Change_Ignored:TLV-21.2, 258MHz.
    Time Not Established   Critical (3)   CMSTATUS:DS_Diplexer_Mode_Change_Ignored:TLV-21.3, 1002MHz.
    Time Not Established   Critical (3)   CMSTATUS:US_Diplexer_Mode_Change:TLV-21.1, 5-42MHz.
    Time Not Established   Notice (6)   Honoring MDD; IP provisioning mode = IPv6
    Time Not Established   Critical (3)   CMSTATUS:DS_Diplexer_Mode_Change_Ignored:TLV-84.2, 108MHz.
    Time Not Established   Critical (3)   CMSTATUS:DS_Diplexer_Mode_Change_Ignored:TLV-84.3, 1002MHz.
    Time Not Established   Critical (3)   CMSTATUS:US_Diplexer_Mode_Change:TLV-84.1, 5-42MHz.
    20:43:02
Sat Jan 14 2023
  Notice (6)   DS profile assignment change. DS Chan ID: 32; Previous Profile: ; New Profile: 1 2 3.;CM-MAC=XX;CMTS-MAC=YY;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1;

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I noticed this in my log this morning.  Any significance to this?

EDIT: whoops!  wasn't thinking about PI.

The log entry was of a "Notice" level indicating that a "DS profile assignment change".  I haven't seen such messages previously.  My connection has been stable today, but it might be a fluke.

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@djglxxii​ 

Your post with that pic of the error log entries was marked as being "Private" by the forum software because it contains CM MAC and the CMTS MAC addresses. They are considered to be personal information. The posting of personally identifiable information is a violation of their forum guidelines. Please delete that pic only.


What you can do instead is to copy and paste all of the text (instead of using an image) but you'll need to redact all of the CM MAC and CMTS MAC addresses. The forum bot will not allow your post to be seen publically.

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2 years ago

It's a firmware incomplatibility issue with the Comcast network as configured.

Moto needs to sync with Xfinity Comcast & get the  right config code & send out to all 8611 owners an updated firmware & installation instruction.

There's nothing wrong with the hardware unless the Moto 8611 Firmware is soldered into its memory by hand indiviually (j/k) or there is no way to update the firmware via software patches due to lack of memory - only then can I understand  why people think this is a reason to throw out this expensive & up to this point bulletproof piece of hardware.

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@GUS_GuyUsingSystem​ 

100% agree about the technical issues.

A non-technical reason:  a person works from home or is just not interested in having their internet drop out every 5 minutes while we wait the weeks or months it takes Motorola and Xfinity to stop pointing fingers at each other and actually fix the problem.

Unfortunately, switching hardware or internet providers is the only solution available to users that they fully control.   It would be great if there was a customer configurable way to install a firmware version and also prevent automatic updates, but there doesn't appear to be one.   If Xfinity wants that ability to update, then they need to take responsibility for fixing issues when auto update creates widespread problems like this.

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@GuyHeartCable I tend to agree, my mb8611 works perfectly with the same firmware, so it’s rather confusing…

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2 years ago

I have an older Arris non DOCSIS 3.1 modem in-hand, and another Arris 3.1 on order.  I'm going to see if I can figure out a way to get the old one to work instead of the Motorola.     Just plugging it in DOESN'T seem to work, so it probably requires some XFINITY cooperation of some kind (arghh).   You would think there would be some standard handshake protocol in which xfinity figures out what modem is out there and auto configures, but, no.

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