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Wednesday, May 24th, 2023 4:38 PM

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Help diagnosing video conference problems

PROBLEM

My setup has supported video conferencing well for several years, but starting a month or so ago I now have a recurring (but not perfectly consistent) problem where people I'm talking to say "we lost you for a few seconds" or "you dropped out--can you say that again?" It's very frustrating, and I don't know how to debug it. I don't assume it's an Xfinity problem, but I'm hoping someone out there can help me narrow it down. 

SETUP

My router is a Unifi UDM (not Pro.) My cable modem is an Arris SB6190. My Xfinity plan supports download speeds of about 500 Mbps
and uploads of 10 Mbps. I experience the same problem from several computers in my house, so the problem is not particular to one machine. One of the machines that regularly has the problem is connected to the router by ethernet, so the problem is not wifi interference.

Notably I don't see other people freeze. I can see and hear them the whole time. Also I stream movies often and don't have any trouble there. I suspect the problem affects outbound/upload data only. 

WHAT I TRIED

  • I've patched/updated and rebooted all the machines involved. No change.
  • I've run speed tests. Everything appears normal, uploading and downloading.
  • I ping'd my router and observed 0% packet loss.
  • I called Xfinity and asked them to troubleshoot. They said they ran some connection tests and said they saw no trouble on the outside.
  • I looked at the Unifi dashboard to see if anything was hogging bandwidth during my calls--particularly upload bandwidth. Doesn't look like it.

I found a tool called "blip" that runs in a browser and pings constantly, reporting latency and packet loss. I ran it during a video conference during which the problem recurred. Blip does show packet loss at the times I freeze for other participants (though as I said they did not freeze for me.) I'll paste an example of the Blip output below.

How can I pinpoint the problem enough to see how to fix it?

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What program were you running for video conferencing?

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@MNtundraRET​ Mostly Zoom, but I've also had the problem with Google Meet.

I think it's significant that a different tool (Blip) sees packet loss at the same time I have trouble in the video conference. I'm pretty sure the problem is not caused by the video conference software (though perhaps some conference software may deal with packet loss better than others.)

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I have used Zoom, Teams, and others, but not Google Meet. Never a problem but I have always used DSL through the phone company for broadband Internet since Netscape days. It does sound like the problem is through Comcast Internet. An employee should come along to help you here.

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What do you see if you log into the Arris modem and look at the line stats and error logs?  (power up/down, SNR, errors etc)

If you are dropping channels and picking up line errors, breaking active connections, your video software isn't going to be happy.  You probably won't have an error table on the upstream, but if the power level is out of wack, it might give you an indication of what is going on.

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@flatlander3​ Thanks for the suggestion. Turns out I do indeed have events in the Arris log--a bunch of them from last night. I was not on video conferences last night, though we were (successfully) streaming a movie at the time of these log events. I'm not sure what these log events mean, and I don't know if they are related to my conferencing problems, but FWIW here they are:

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@Vinndalf 

The image of the error log entries in your post has been removed due to it containing your modem's CM MAC address and the CMTS MAC address which are considered to be personal information. The posting of personally identifiable information is a violation of their forum guidelines. The forum bot will not allow your post to be seen publically.


What you can do instead is copy and paste all of the text (instead of using an image) but you'll need to redact all of the CM MAC and CMTS MAC addresses, then paste them into your next post here. 

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More data. In this screenshot you can see: 

1) tracert addresses from my machine to 1.1.1.1

2) blip running and showing a recent packet loss (a gap in the blue line at the bottom of the graph)

3) ongoing pings to the first address in my tracert chain

4) a "request timed out" from one of those pings

I don't know how useful this is. Just trying to see where the problem might be.

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@Vinndalf​ I think that was useless. After more monitoring of pings to all steps on tracert, I can see that Blip sometimes shows packet loss even when ping reports none reaching any individual step on the tracert. I'm writing this part off as an inconclusive experiment.

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There's a guide here on what to look for on cable connections, equipment, signal levels ect:  https://forums.xfinity.com/conversations/your-home-network/internet-troubleshooting-tips/602dae4ac5375f08cde52ea0 

Looks like the form bot temporarily ate your image.  Might need moderator approval, or maybe it's got a MAC address in the image (personal info).  You have to redact those.

On my netgear, upstream power above 50dBmV will start causing signal issues, and if it goes much higher, spontaneous reboots.  Your modem adjusts power on the fly.  Trying to shove signal through a splitter or a bad connection can make that drift too high.  Downstream power can overload, drop channels, cause errors/reboots too if what you have coming in is too high.   See if you're in the ballpark of what the doc lists for signals.

Uncorrectable errors send you down an error path where a channel has to reconnect, then bond back with the others.  There is a lag there while it's doing it.  Perhaps a broken state connection to so your software has to reconnect.

Streaming usually is OK unless your connection is really bad.  You request data in chunks to go into a buffer, and you watch the buffer.  The device can recover easier with bad communication.  Video conferencing is more or less live and much harder with bad communication. 

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@flatlander3​ Thanks. I've uploaded a redacted version of the log above, and I'm working through the troubleshooting document you sent. I've not confronted modem power levels before. The status page on my Arris modem shows I have 32 downstream channels. The lowest power rating on any of them is -2.20 and the highest is +0.10. If I'm reading that guide page correctly, that is an acceptable range. The upstream channels (6) range from +35 to +37 dBmV, and that also appears to be in the acceptable range. Downstream SNR is 38-39 dB. Upstream SNR is not reported on the Arris status page.

I don't see any clues there.

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In my own battles with cable distribution, one thing I don't like is a swing on power levels.  All channels should be really close (within a dBmV or so).  It's frequency dependent.  Some say it doesn't matter.

They might be right since the frequency isn't that high, but it's critical at higher frequencies and we're all using similar phase lock loop technology regardless of frequency.  It indicates a reflection in transmission line theory, and can really screw stuff up.  That can be a dirty/oxidized connector, could be a lot of things.

If you notice a lag in "anything", log into that Arris.  You get a view of what is happening at that particular moment and varies over time.  Copy and paste the entire signal table in text form here instead of an image.  Folks here might see something you aren't seeing.  On the Xfinity side, they can see things that are not reported in that signal table too.

A test that may help:  Is this a straight coax cable run directly to your Arris or is there a splitter for a cable TV box?  Clean run directly to the modem is desirable.  If there is a splitter, can you bypass it entirely so it's just a clean run, then see if it matters with your tests? 

Post a signal table again here if you can and see if it's radically different.

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By "signal table" do you mean the event log I posted? I don't see anything in my modem UI called "signal table" so I'll assume you do mean what it calls the event log. What I've blacked out in that picture is mostly MAC addresses. I don't think I can post the full text. Also the event log hasn't changed since I posted it, but I have had Zoom trouble since, so I suspect my symptoms are not manifesting in the modem event log.

The cable from my modem does run straight to the wall with no splitters. I do have a cable TV connection in another part of the house and I pay for only one line, so their may be a splitter outside somewhere. 

FWIW, I upgraded my cable service a few years ago and Xfinity came out to inspect. They replaced a number of parts they thought looked old and troublesome. That's not conclusive, but it does (to my mind) make me less likely to assume I'm having physical cable issues.

I do appreciate your helping me think of things that might be causing trouble.

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@Vinndalf​  Signal table == that status page you were looking at with upstream/downstream power, SNR, errors both correctable and uncorrectables.

If you have cable TV connection and a modem, you have a splitter somewhere.  Connections on that can be a problem, and the splitter itself can have problems.  The coax cable itself can be a problem if it's frayed or kinked.  Take a look at that doc again to help you look for connector/cable/splitter/amplifier issues.  Corrosion changes everything and can happen anywhere.

All of those errors in your error log 1-3 minutes apart?  That's your connection stumbling.  You are dropping channels.  If it's constant, that is likely why you see your video connection lagging. 

It might not be your house wiring too.  It could be upstream from you and you'll need a tech to come out.  If they find splitters/amps in your house causing the problem, you pay for the visit.  If it is upstream from you, it's an Xfinity distribution problem and you won't have to pay. 

I'd look for the splitter first though, and try to bypass it for a test, and see what shape the coax and all of the connectors in your house is in, and if it's a rats nest of old cable bundled/zip tied in a pile somewhere.  

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