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Thursday, January 16th, 2025 5:47 AM

Xfinity 4k box STILL broadcasts only 2 channels of audio in a 5 channel wrapper

It's unacceptable that Xfinity continues to ignore endless reports that their 4k boxes can't process audio correctly. This has been going on for years, and all Xfinity does is string people along with canned replies before finally admitting it's a known problem. 

I'm at the point where I'm going to drop Xfinity entirely and go to any one of your competitors who understand basic audio engineering. So tired of this.

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1 month ago

See here for one of the many other times this has been reported: https://forums.xfinity.com/conversations/x1/xg1v4a-outputs-sound-as-stereo-but-in-a-51-wrapper/65a08e6a8f01ac51ddb91aa2

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1 month ago

It's bad when even Google's AI understands the problem better than Xfinity's engineers. 

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I have been through literally months of troubleshooting in the past on this same issue, as have countless others. I even recorded video of the behavior and sent it to your engineers who ultimately admitted the problem is in the XG1V4A boxes themselves. Before I "upgraded" to the 4K box audio worked perfectly. 

If you want me to explain yet again what the box is doing wrong, and why it matters, let me know. But all of the troubleshooting in the world isn't going to fix a broken product design.

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Can you go into more detail about what are the audio issues? I am a customer myself and have the same 4K box and do not experience any sound quality or audio drops myself. @user_89ccc8

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1 month ago

Here: I'll give you the full version, but you need to promise you'll send it to one of your engineers, as they will confirm it for you.

Various programming contains differing audio formats, from mono (really old programming), stereo, Dolby Surround (usually 5 channels), to Dolby Atmos (usually at least 7 channels).

All the Xfinity box needs to do is pass the native format through. That's it--no matter what format it is. But what your 4k boxes do is reprocess the native audio by putting in a carrier signal envelope that claims it has 5 channels worth of audio every single time, even (and especially) when there is no center channel audio in the native signal, as with stereo audio programming. 

If it just passed the stereo signal through in it's native 2-channel carrier signal, AV equipment would recognize it and use Dolby ProLogic Surround processing to generate the correct center dialog and surround channels. But since the Xfinity box is lying about the audio format, it tells the receiver the decoding has already happened, and that all five channels (front left, right, center, and surrounds) are ready to go. So the AV receiver or soundbar passes them straight through--even though three of the channels are completely silent. 

And no, "Expert Mode" in the Xfinity audio settings doesn't behave any differently. It certainly should, but it doesn't. 

The only workaround (and it's a lousy one), is to force the audio settings in the Xfinity box to only pass Stereo audio. This allows the AV processor to correctly see there are only two channels of audio, and to let Dolby ProLogic correctly process the signal. But the catch is you have to remember to turn the stereo setting back off every single time so that actual premium content can pass true surround audio through correctly. Otherwise it gets squished down to just stereo. Given that these settings also change the streaming apps (Netflix, Hulu, etc.), I'm constantly having to go in and out of Xfinity audio settings to try to make it work correctly. 

None of which would be necessary if your equipment worked correctly! 

As I and others have reported to you many, many times.

Please forward this to someone--anyone--there who actually understands how audio works.

The TLDR version? The way XG1V4A boxes process audio is broken, as your own engineers have previously admitted.

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Gotcha user_89ccc8

Thank you very much for the detailed breakdown. We can easily touch base with our engineering team, and check if we have an update on the previous tickets you have submitted.

Could you please send our team a direct message with your full name and full address? Our team can most definitely take a further look at this issue.

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Just sent. And to Dena's point above, for the majority of Xfinity customers who only use their internal tv speakers or a cheap soundbar, they probably can't tell the difference. But anyone with a home theater with surround sound, it's very easy to hear.

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1 month ago

@user_89ccc8  I'm one of those who reported this about a year ago, as you can see from the link posted earlier, and got a reply from advanced tech support that it's a known issue.  Not surprised that it hasn't been fixed.  The XG1v4 is old tech.   I've never seen a new box, all refurbs, and I suspect they are trying to move away from them altogether. 

Meanwhile, what do you watch where this happens?  While my XG1v4 box does it too, I can't recall the last time it came up for me.   I seem to recall running into it mostly (only?) with stereo sources on 3rd party apps through Xfinity.  The small number of stereo cable shows that I see seem to play stereo audio as stereo.  I rarely use the apps because my X1 doesn't do Dolby Vision and other platforms like my TV, Roku, and Fire Cube work better/faster than those on the X1.

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Hi, 

Yes, I've spent so much time over the years trying to first explain it to them, and then get them to do something about it. 

It happens frequently on any channel Xfinity carries that has stereo audio programming--mostly old shows from the 80s and 90s. But it even happens on their streaming apps. We subscribe to Britbox through Amazon Prime, and everything is broadcast that way. 

My AV receiver has a phone app that shows the exact format of both the incoming audio and video in real time. And without exception it shows the incoming audio signal is in 5.1 Dolby Surround. Even when it's an old mono soundtrack movie from the 30s with literally only one channel with any actual content. They just set it and forget it. 

It's such an easy fix: just pass the native audio through. Don't process it at all--at least on your "expert mode" setting. But as I posted, I expect most of their customer base doesn't know to even complain, so they aren't motivated to address it. 

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1 month ago

Set the audio to Expert Mode and it will only export the audio of the content. Fixed all my issues.

Setting it to Auto makes it just wrap everyone in 5.1 even when it's not. 

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1 month ago

It's been a year since I looked into this rigorously, and I recall it primarily effected stereo content from 3rd party apps, not regular cablecast content.

I tested an old Perry Mason on MeTV tonight.  It shows a stereo input in Expert mode and 5.1 with the only actual sound in the LR channels in Auto Detect (DD+).  So, with that kind of regular cable content Expert is the way to go, as @Tek said.  

Then I went to the YouTube app on X1 and played a stereo clip (most everything on YouTube is 2.0) and it shows a 5.1 input with sound only in LR in both Expert and Auto Detect.

My conclusion a year ago and again tonight is that this is a problem with stereo content originating from 3rd party apps. Of course, it shouldn't happen with any sources.  But, Expert mode fixes it unless you watch stereo content on an app, which I don't. 

Also, Expert mode does not seem to be pass through.  It does does something, although we don't know what.  That's not unusual.  My Fire Cube 3 doesn't do pass through.  LG OLEDs even have a Pass Through setting that, despite the label, change the source audio to Dolby MAT when using eARC to a receiver. 

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1 month ago

@user_89ccc8  Hi.  Asking again what content you've found where Expert traps stereo in a 5.1 wrapper.  For Tek and me, Expert does stereo correctly with cable channels.  My XG1v4 does not work properly with stereo from apps. 

If you can provide any examples of cable channel content where it's not working right on your box, I will try them myself.   Thanks.

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My experience on apps matches yours as well. However, I don't watch any Stereo on apps that often. 

Expert Mode is the only way to go unless Comcast changes the behavior of Auto.

I tested a XG1v3 for a bit and that box in Auto passes all audio correctly. Now sure why the XG1v4 messes with so much audio stuff. 

I use X1 has my entertainment hub for all streaming and cable. So I need 4k and I just live with the audio glitches. 

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I think you may be correct about it just being all streaming apps with stereo content. When I first reported this behavior in 2022 expert mode didn't work for cable channels either. But after the recent replies here I tried it again, and it does seem to work for Xfinity's native channels. Small improvement, I guess. 

Unfortunately, I did confirm that (as you both have said) expert mode still doesn't help with any streaming apps content. I just did a test with multiple stereo programs on Prime Video, and it's the same fake 5.1 surround wrapper no matter which audio setting is selected. I switched to my Blu-Ray player and opened the same shows in the same Prime Video app and the audio processes perfectly. 

That's even more mystifying, since it's obviously not a hardware limitation. Super frustrating.

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1 month ago

Yes, no doubt it's an Xfinity issue in handling stereo content and needs to be fixed.  But, if you use Expert mode, it's fine with 2.0 content on cable channels.  And personally, I rarely use 3rd party apps thru Xfinity, avoiding the problem there.   

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Better than nothing. Unfortunately I don't have any extra HDMI receiver inputs to spare. I'm generally sending everything to my projector which doesn't have any streaming apps, so we often are stuck using them through Xfinity.

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A couple of updates: I found at least one Xfinity channel where the audio is still broken--even on expert mode:  ScreenPix. Confirmed last night; I expect there may be others.

Secondly, I'm working with an Xfinity manager who says the issue has been elevated, that their engineers have confirmed the behavior and are looking into it. Here's the exact quote:

The update I just got from engineering just this morning is “this is still being investigated. It was escalated further as during their review of your concerns our engineering team was able to reproduce your experience on two additional accounts while utilizing similar equipment. Please note after these findings the matter was escalated to a higher tier (National Support) and currently being investigated.”

I'll post if I hear anything further.

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@user_89ccc8​  Dolby Atmos worked wonderful on the XG1v4 during the Super Bowl.

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7 days ago

@user_89ccc8   Pretty sure they've been able to duplicate this before.  Easy enough to do.  And that they've escalated it before.  So, we'll see if anything comes of it.   Hopeful.  

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@BIslander​ I escalated it all the way up to National as well. It is much improved since the early days of the XG1v4 box, but still needs some tweaks on older content.

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