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Thursday, October 14th, 2021 5:56 PM

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Slow / No Internet due to intermittent degraded signal to cable modem (SB8200)

I have gigabit internet.

When it works - its very good ( tests from a (wired)  ethernet connected PC )

The Blue Docsis 3.1 light is on the modem, 
and the Signal looks like
Notice flat top of signal at between -50 and -55dBM between ~ 100MHz and 770MHz
However
intermittently (e.g. now) 
The speed internet connection becomes unusable
- with no changes at my end - So implicitly it's something upstream of me
e.g. (now)
the Docsis 3.1. blue light goes out, the upstream and downstream lights start to blink
and the signal has degraded to something like 
note the lower signal strength and the downward slope compared to the good signal.
Q: What Causes this ?
Q: What Can I do about this?
rebooting the modem ( either locally or by the Xfinity App ) does nothing to change the poor internet / signal
I just have to wait it out until it changes ...
Is there anything else I can do to help diagnose the problem or get Xfinity to solve the issue
I have status / error log snapshots from the modem - but they only confirm the input signal has degraded.
I live in an apartment if that changes anything.
Thanks in advance.

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11 Messages

4 years ago

here is the current signal at lower resolution for a better image 

Expert

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110.2K Messages

4 years ago

What do the modem's signal stats look like ? Try getting them here; http://192.168.100.1 or here http://10.0.0.1 


Please post the *Downstream Power Level*, the *Upstream Power Level*, and the *SNR* (Signal to Noise Ratio) numbers.

What is the exact make and model number of the modem ?

Contributor

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11 Messages

4 years ago

The Cable modem is an Arris SB8200

As described below

Product Information

The information below describes the current state and status of different cable modem elements.

Information
Standard Specification Compliant Docsis 3.1
Hardware Version 4
Software Version AB01.02.053.05_051921_193.0A.NSH
Cable Modem MAC Address [Edited: "Personal Information"]
Serial Number [Edited: "Personal Information"]

Status
Up Time 0 days 01h:16m:41s.00

The Current (BAD) Signal strengths are 

Connection

The status listed show the connection state of the cable modem. They are used by your service provider to evaluate the operation of the cable modem.

Startup Procedure
Procedure Status Comment
Acquire Downstream Channel 531000000 Hz Locked
Connectivity State OK Operational
Boot State OK Operational
Configuration File OK
Security Enabled BPI+
DOCSIS Network Access Enabled Allowed

Downstream Bonded Channels
Channel ID Lock Status Modulation Frequency Power SNR/MER Corrected Uncorrectables
24 Locked QAM256 531000000 Hz -21.3 dBmV 27.7 dB 6382989 169
17 Locked QAM256 483000000 Hz -19.4 dBmV 27.8 dB 10672538 1096478
18 Locked QAM256 489000000 Hz -19.6 dBmV 27.2 dB 27197473 926026
19 Locked QAM256 495000000 Hz -20.1 dBmV 27.8 dB 3794830 508
20 Locked QAM256 507000000 Hz -20.5 dBmV 27.8 dB 3337282 541
21 Locked QAM256 513000000 Hz -21.0 dBmV 27.8 dB 4435233 2917
22 Locked QAM256 519000000 Hz -21.0 dBmV 27.9 dB 2867863 529
23 Locked QAM256 525000000 Hz -20.8 dBmV 27.8 dB 3147359 552
25 Locked QAM256 537000000 Hz -21.8 dBmV 27.3 dB 21336035 8208
26 Locked QAM256 543000000 Hz -21.8 dBmV 27.5 dB 12254899 1640
27 Locked QAM256 549000000 Hz -22.1 dBmV 27.3 dB 18371967 4810
28 Locked QAM256 555000000 Hz -22.6 dBmV 27.1 dB 38103925 54347
29 Locked QAM256 561000000 Hz -22.4 dBmV 27.2 dB 22576339 9238
30 Locked QAM256 567000000 Hz -22.8 dBmV 27.1 dB 52426805 175110
31 Locked QAM256 573000000 Hz -23.4 dBmV 26.5 dB 139235702 14660321
32 Locked QAM256 579000000 Hz -23.4 dBmV 26.7 dB 111769656 3810713
33 Locked QAM256 585000000 Hz -23.4 dBmV 26.5 dB 119488797 5732558
34 Locked QAM256 591000000 Hz -23.8 dBmV 26.5 dB 138349159 13928166
35 Locked QAM256 597000000 Hz -24.1 dBmV 26.3 dB 117295217 83046275
36 Locked QAM256 603000000 Hz -24.0 dBmV 26.3 dB 140521556 46342204
37 Not Locked Unknown 609000000 Hz -24.4 dBmV 0.0 dB 2237635 0
38 Locked QAM256 615000000 Hz -24.7 dBmV 0.0 dB 247704 0
39 Locked QAM256 621000000 Hz -24.8 dBmV 0.0 dB 233012 0
40 Locked QAM256 627000000 Hz -25.1 dBmV 0.0 dB 148835 0
41 Locked QAM256 633000000 Hz -25.7 dBmV 0.0 dB 38035 0
42 Locked QAM256 639000000 Hz -26.1 dBmV 0.0 dB 5716 0
43 Not Locked Unknown 645000000 Hz -26.3 dBmV 0.0 dB 907 0
44 Locked QAM256 651000000 Hz -26.4 dBmV 0.0 dB 127 0
45 Locked QAM256 657000000 Hz -26.0 dBmV 0.0 dB 17936 0
46 Locked QAM256 663000000 Hz -26.0 dBmV 0.0 dB 19124 0
47 Not Locked Unknown 669000000 Hz -26.5 dBmV 0.0 dB 464 0
48 Locked Other 688000000 Hz -27.0 dBmV 15.5 dB 425292946 42061689



Upstream Bonded Channels
Channel Channel ID Lock Status US Channel Type Frequency Width Power
1 7 Locked SC-QAM Upstream 10400000 Hz 3200000 Hz 44.0 dBmV
2 8 Locked SC-QAM Upstream 16400000 Hz 6400000 Hz 43.0 dBmV
3 9 Locked SC-QAM Upstream 22800000 Hz 6400000 Hz 42.0 dBmV
4 10 Locked SC-QAM Upstream 29200000 Hz 6400000 Hz 42.0 dBmV
5 11 Locked SC-QAM Upstream 35600000 Hz 6400000 Hz 41.0 dBmV
6 12 Locked SC-QAM Upstream 40400000 Hz 3200000 Hz 43.0 dBmV



Current System Time: Thu Oct 14 10:15:47 2021

Compare this with a previously (GOOD) capture of 

Connection

The status listed show the connection state of the cable modem. They are used by your service provider to evaluate the operation of the cable modem.

Startup Procedure

Procedure

Status

Comment

Acquire Downstream Channel

531000000 Hz

Locked

Connectivity State

OK

Operational

Boot State

OK

Operational

Configuration File

OK

Security

Enabled

BPI+

DOCSIS Network Access Enabled

Allowed

 

Downstream Bonded Channels

Channel ID

Lock Status

Modulation

Frequency

Power

SNR/MER

Corrected

Uncorrectables

24

Locked

QAM256

531000000 Hz

2.1 dBmV

41.0 dB

0

0

17

Locked

QAM256

483000000 Hz

1.9 dBmV

40.9 dB

0

0

18

Locked

QAM256

489000000 Hz

1.8 dBmV

40.8 dB

0

0

19

Locked

QAM256

495000000 Hz

1.8 dBmV

40.7 dB

0

0

20

Locked

QAM256

507000000 Hz

1.9 dBmV

40.8 dB

0

0

21

Locked

QAM256

513000000 Hz

1.9 dBmV

40.9 dB

0

0

22

Locked

QAM256

519000000 Hz

2.1 dBmV

41.0 dB

0

0

23

Locked

QAM256

525000000 Hz

2.2 dBmV

41.1 dB

0

0

25

Locked

QAM256

537000000 Hz

1.9 dBmV

40.8 dB

0

0

26

Locked

QAM256

543000000 Hz

1.9 dBmV

40.8 dB

0

0

27

Locked

QAM256

549000000 Hz

2.1 dBmV

40.9 dB

0

0

28

Locked

QAM256

555000000 Hz

2.1 dBmV

40.9 dB

0

0

29

Locked

QAM256

561000000 Hz

2.2 dBmV

41.0 dB

0

0

30

Locked

QAM256

567000000 Hz

2.0 dBmV

40.8 dB

0

0

31

Locked

QAM256

573000000 Hz

1.8 dBmV

40.7 dB

0

0

32

Locked

QAM256

579000000 Hz

1.8 dBmV

40.6 dB

0

0

33

Locked

QAM256

585000000 Hz

1.8 dBmV

40.7 dB

0

0

34

Locked

QAM256

591000000 Hz

1.9 dBmV

40.6 dB

0

0

35

Locked

QAM256

597000000 Hz

1.9 dBmV

40.6 dB

0

0

36

Locked

QAM256

603000000 Hz

1.8 dBmV

40.5 dB

0

0

37

Locked

QAM256

609000000 Hz

1.6 dBmV

40.3 dB

0

0

38

Locked

QAM256

615000000 Hz

1.5 dBmV

40.1 dB

0

0

39

Locked

QAM256

621000000 Hz

1.4 dBmV

40.1 dB

0

0

40

Locked

QAM256

627000000 Hz

1.5 dBmV

40.0 dB

0

0

41

Locked

QAM256

633000000 Hz

1.3 dBmV

39.9 dB

0

0

42

Locked

QAM256

639000000 Hz

1.1 dBmV

39.8 dB

0

0

43

Locked

QAM256

645000000 Hz

1.0 dBmV

39.6 dB

0

0

44

Locked

QAM256

651000000 Hz

1.1 dBmV

39.7 dB

0

0

45

Locked

QAM256

657000000 Hz

1.5 dBmV

40.0 dB

0

0

46

Locked

QAM256

663000000 Hz

1.7 dBmV

40.1 dB

0

0

47

Locked

QAM256

669000000 Hz

1.7 dBmV

40.1 dB

0

0

48

Locked

Other

688000000 Hz

2.1 dBmV

37.8 dB

29473784

0

 

 

 

Upstream Bonded Channels

Channel

Channel ID

Lock Status

US Channel Type

Frequency

Width

Power

1

7

Locked

SC-QAM Upstream

10400000 Hz

3200000 Hz

43.0 dBmV

2

8

Locked

SC-QAM Upstream

16400000 Hz

6400000 Hz

43.0 dBmV

3

9

Locked

SC-QAM Upstream

22800000 Hz

6400000 Hz

43.0 dBmV

4

10

Locked

SC-QAM Upstream

29200000 Hz

6400000 Hz

42.0 dBmV

5

11

Locked

SC-QAM Upstream

35600000 Hz

6400000 Hz

42.0 dBmV

6

12

Locked

SC-QAM Upstream

40400000 Hz

3200000 Hz

43.0 dBmV

 

 

 

Current System Time: Tue Oct 12 08:57:36 2021

(edited)

Expert

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110.2K Messages

4 years ago

WOW ! Those first downstreams are horribly out of spec !! Something intermittent is definitely going on ! 

You can see if anything below helps / applies but you might want to have a tech out to investigate / correct this issue !

In an effort to try to obtain better connectivity, check to see if there are there any excess/unneeded coax cable splitters in the line leading to the modem that can be eliminated/re-configured. Any splitters that remain should be high quality and cable rated for 5-1000 MHz, bi-directional, and no gold colored garbage from Radio Shack, Home Depot, Target, etc. Splitters should be swapped with known to be good / new ones to test.

Also check the coax cable for any damage such as cuts, nicks, kinks, sharp bends, etc.

If there aren't any unneeded splitters that can be eliminated and if your coax wiring setup can't be reconfigured so that there is a single two-way splitter connected directly off of the drop from the street / pole with one port feeding the modem and the other port feeding the rest of the house/equipment with additional splits as needed and you've checked all the wiring and fittings for integrity and tightness and refresh them by taking them apart then check for and clean off any corrosion / oxidation on the center wire and put them back together again, then perhaps it's best to book a tech visit to investigate and correct.

Bear in mind that if the premises facing techs can not find or fix a problem at your home, it is they who are responsible for escalating it to their line / network / maintenance dept. techs. The problem may lie beyond your home in the local neighborhood infrastructure somewhere but it is their S.O.P. to start at the home.


Good luck with it !

Contributor

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11 Messages

4 years ago

I would agree, that is the case.

I've read all the usual information about cable health / sanity checks - and all the things I can control are good - 

as evidenced by the speed / signal strength when things are good.

How do I get a technician (onsite?) to confirm the bad signal strength so they can can escalate things / diagnose things upstream? 

Contributor

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11 Messages

4 years ago

Progress.

Got on a live chat with an agent

Confirmed details.

Reboot of modem made no difference.

From Agent,

http://speedtest.xfinity.com/

Please visit this link and share the result of speed test

From You,

5.2 Mbps down 20.9 Mbps up 19 ms latency , IPV6 , San Jose CA on ethernet wired PC

From Agent,

Thanks for confirming

From Agent,

An automated check has identified the Docsis Health is Red

Red - Some parts of the service or equipment failed the Device Health Check, and they might be interrupting the service.

From Agent,

I want to let you know that modem is not working fine

From Agent,

It means the signals are also interrupting

From Agent,

I need to raise the issue and involve the advance team in this to resolve this

From Agent,

I am also sending a tech at your place to check and resolve this'

So I have a tech coming in a few days. Lets see what happens.

Expert

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110.2K Messages

4 years ago

O/k good luck with it ! And please post back with how things turn out.

Contributor

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11 Messages

4 years ago

I will let you know how things go.

Contributor

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11 Messages

4 years ago

Update:

Success!

Three main things have happened 

  1.  I had a visit from an xfinity engineer
  2.  I have learnt about the apartment cabling from the maintenance guys, and made a minor improvement
  3.  xfinity Replaced (what I assume was Faulty Equipment) and all is well.

Lets break that down in detail, a post at a time

Contributor

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4 years ago

I had a visit from an xfinity engineer

After speaking to the agent, on chat, a service call was scheduled for 9-11am on Sunday Oct 17th.

Various emails / texts / notifications on the lead up to the visit telling me what I needed to do, confirm the visit etc.

The Engineer duly arrived, inspected my setup, took some measurements, and confirmed the situation.

  • Yes, My Equipment (Cable modem, router) was good.
  • There was signal / packet loss from upstream 
  • The Signal Analyzer on the Cable modem gave an accurate picture of the incoming signal
  • The Apartment complex used RG-59 cable from when it was built in the 1970's (see below)
  • There should be 
    • Somewhere where the cable entered the apartment, other than where it came out in the wall(s)
    • An equipment room / closet where the cable entered the apartment building.

I was not aware of these - so we could not investigate further.

But he agreed there was an upstream issue, and would start the internal process to investigate / escalate having confirmed my situation..

Expert

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110.2K Messages

4 years ago

Thanks for circling back with that info ! Please do so again with the future outcome. Thank you !

Contributor

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4 years ago

Apartment Cabling

The Apartment complex used RG-59 cable from when it was built in the 1970's, the Engineer said they would use RG-6 Today.

details:

https://thejonspencerbluesexplosion.com/rg6-cable-vs-rg59/

https://sewelldirect.com/blogs/learning-center/what-is-the-difference-between-rg59-and-rg6

The TL:DR; is RG59 was fine for Analog Cable TV, but RG6 is preferred for high speed internet.

However, having said that, in my case it is "good enough" - given the speeds I have been getting when everything works.

I spoke to the apartment complex maintenance guys, and yes, out building does have an equipment room, 

where the cable enters the building and is split up for the individual apartments

Identified my apartment cable (at least they are labeled), checked the connections were sound, but I'm not touching that!

 

It comes in via this initially ( 4 way split ?)

and then is split further by (8 ways ?)

Meanwhile I found where the cable comes in to the apartment

Its a blank unlabeled panel near the fuse box. Unless someone told you, you would not know what lies within!

A Regal RDCUV10-6 Splitter!

Set up for cable TV in the lounge , with a 6dB tap to the bedroom / office.

Guess which run I used for the cable modem?

So I disconnected the splitter, and used a coupler to directly connect the incoming signal cable (red) to the cable run  to the cable modem - as that is the only connection I use.

Hey presto 6dB more signal. 

Which moved it ( in failure mode) from "marginal" (<10 Mbps down)  to "acceptable" ( enough for a reliable connection - still not full speed - but OK) 

So that removed the "not working" frustration.

But from the spectrum analyzer - there were still two modes for the incoming signal

  • "good" - flat top
  • "bad" - sloping down

Which very much looks like bad upstream equipment  (amplifier) ?

(edited)

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11 Messages

4 years ago

xfinity Replaced (what I assume was Faulty) Equipment

With the  6dB more signal, things went well until one morning (Wednesday October 27th), things stopped working, and the signal disappeared - just like a disconnection.

So I went down to the equipment room and discovered another xfinity engineer hard at work, on a large silver box, and some much thicker cables, in a "vault" below this kind of cover

He said it would be about 20 minutes.

And then everything came back, and has worked great ever since.

(edited)

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4 years ago

All is Well

I'm now getting great speeds

 

https://www.speedtest.net/result/12256050309

The Incoming Signal looks great

But more importantly , given over 2 days uptime

Status
Up Time 2 days 01h:44m:29s.00

Look at the complete absence of Corrected ( and Uncorrectables ) in the locked QAM256 downstream bonded channels, and the healthy Power , SNR / MER values.

Connection

The status listed show the connection state of the cable modem. They are used by your service provider to evaluate the operation of the cable modem.

Startup Procedure
Procedure Status Comment
Acquire Downstream Channel 507000000 Hz Locked
Connectivity State OK Operational
Boot State OK Operational
Configuration File OK
Security Enabled BPI+
DOCSIS Network Access Enabled Allowed

Downstream Bonded Channels
Channel ID Lock Status Modulation Frequency Power SNR/MER Corrected Uncorrectables
20 Locked QAM256 507000000 Hz 6.3 dBmV 42.0 dB 0 0
4 Locked QAM256 405000000 Hz 6.4 dBmV 41.9 dB 0 0
5 Locked QAM256 411000000 Hz 6.4 dBmV 41.8 dB 0 0
6 Locked QAM256 417000000 Hz 6.2 dBmV 41.8 dB 0 0
7 Locked QAM256 423000000 Hz 6.2 dBmV 41.8 dB 0 0
8 Locked QAM256 429000000 Hz 6.2 dBmV 41.7 dB 0 0
9 Locked QAM256 435000000 Hz 6.0 dBmV 41.5 dB 0 0
10 Locked QAM256 441000000 Hz 6.2 dBmV 41.7 dB 0 0
11 Locked QAM256 447000000 Hz 6.1 dBmV 41.7 dB 0 0
12 Locked QAM256 453000000 Hz 6.3 dBmV 41.8 dB 0 0
13 Locked QAM256 459000000 Hz 6.0 dBmV 41.6 dB 0 0
14 Locked QAM256 465000000 Hz 6.1 dBmV 41.7 dB 0 0
15 Locked QAM256 471000000 Hz 6.0 dBmV 41.9 dB 0 0
16 Locked QAM256 477000000 Hz 6.0 dBmV 41.8 dB 0 0
17 Locked QAM256 483000000 Hz 6.3 dBmV 41.9 dB 0 0
18 Locked QAM256 489000000 Hz 6.2 dBmV 41.9 dB 0 0
19 Locked QAM256 495000000 Hz 6.3 dBmV 42.0 dB 0 0
21 Locked QAM256 513000000 Hz 6.0 dBmV 41.9 dB 0 0
22 Locked QAM256 519000000 Hz 6.5 dBmV 42.3 dB 0 0
23 Locked QAM256 525000000 Hz 6.3 dBmV 42.1 dB 0 0
24 Locked QAM256 531000000 Hz 6.4 dBmV 42.0 dB 0 0
25 Locked QAM256 537000000 Hz 6.6 dBmV 42.2 dB 0 0
26 Locked QAM256 543000000 Hz 6.5 dBmV 42.1 dB 0 0
27 Locked QAM256 549000000 Hz 6.6 dBmV 42.3 dB 0 0
28 Locked QAM256 555000000 Hz 6.6 dBmV 42.2 dB 0 0
29 Locked QAM256 561000000 Hz 6.8 dBmV 42.3 dB 0 0
30 Locked QAM256 567000000 Hz 6.2 dBmV 42.1 dB 0 0
31 Locked QAM256 573000000 Hz 6.2 dBmV 42.0 dB 0 0
32 Locked QAM256 579000000 Hz 6.0 dBmV 41.9 dB 0 0
33 Locked QAM256 585000000 Hz 6.2 dBmV 42.1 dB 0 0
34 Locked QAM256 591000000 Hz 6.3 dBmV 42.0 dB 0 0
48 Locked Other 688000000 Hz 5.9 dBmV 39.2 dB 242222520 64



Upstream Bonded Channels
Channel Channel ID Lock Status US Channel Type Frequency Width Power
1 7 Locked SC-QAM Upstream 10400000 Hz 3200000 Hz 38.0 dBmV
2 8 Locked SC-QAM Upstream 16400000 Hz 6400000 Hz 37.0 dBmV
3 9 Locked SC-QAM Upstream 22800000 Hz 6400000 Hz 37.0 dBmV
4 10 Locked SC-QAM Upstream 29200000 Hz 6400000 Hz 37.0 dBmV
5 11 Locked SC-QAM Upstream 35600000 Hz 6400000 Hz 36.0 dBmV
6 12 Locked SC-QAM Upstream 40400000 Hz 3200000 Hz 37.0 dBmV

I am now one happy camper!

Expert

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110.2K Messages

4 years ago

@GrahameZZ 

Pretty stats !! So glad you got it straightened out !! Happy surfing !!

(edited)

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