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Monday, July 17th, 2023 1:11 PM

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Intermittent Connection - Internet Dropping - Arris SB8200

For the last week or so I've been struggling with intermittent connection with my SB8200. Last time a tech came in he connected 2 splitters from the main cable and finally the modem was connected to the 2nd splitter. I tried removing one of the splitters and using a 4 way splitter and last night had very stable connection. But now this morning again, internet is dropping every 10 minutes. 

--- google.com ping statistics ---
362 packets transmitted, 89 packets received, 75.4% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 9.647/16.964/53.569/7.492 ms

Downstream Bonded Channels
Channel ID Lock Status Modulation Frequency Power SNR/MER Corrected Uncorrectables
13 Locked QAM256 471000000 Hz -6.6 dBmV 41.5 dB 65 11
14 Locked QAM256 477000000 Hz -6.4 dBmV 41.5 dB 58 6
15 Locked QAM256 483000000 Hz -6.4 dBmV 41.5 dB 71 1
16 Locked QAM256 489000000 Hz -6.4 dBmV 41.6 dB 62 6
17 Locked QAM256 495000000 Hz -6.4 dBmV 41.5 dB 69 2
18 Locked QAM256 507000000 Hz -6.0 dBmV 41.6 dB 65 3
19 Locked QAM256 513000000 Hz -5.8 dBmV 41.7 dB 72 3
20 Locked QAM256 519000000 Hz -5.7 dBmV 40.9 dB 70 3
21 Locked QAM256 525000000 Hz -5.7 dBmV 41.2 dB 66 4
22 Locked QAM256 531000000 Hz -5.7 dBmV 41.4 dB 65 2
23 Locked QAM256 537000000 Hz -5.7 dBmV 41.3 dB 69 1
24 Locked QAM256 543000000 Hz -5.5 dBmV 41.2 dB 65 6
25 Locked QAM256 555000000 Hz -4.9 dBmV 41.6 dB 67 1
26 Locked QAM256 561000000 Hz -4.8 dBmV 41.6 dB 57 1
27 Locked QAM256 567000000 Hz -4.9 dBmV 41.4 dB 61 0
28 Locked QAM256 573000000 Hz -5.2 dBmV 40.6 dB 66 0
29 Locked QAM256 579000000 Hz -5.2 dBmV 41.1 dB 54 6
30 Locked QAM256 585000000 Hz -5.3 dBmV 41.1 dB 65 0
31 Locked QAM256 591000000 Hz -5.2 dBmV 41.2 dB 64 0
32 Locked QAM256 597000000 Hz -5.1 dBmV 41.0 dB 56 0
33 Locked QAM256 603000000 Hz -5.4 dBmV 40.8 dB 53 0
34 Locked QAM256 609000000 Hz -6.1 dBmV 40.4 dB 57 0
35 Locked QAM256 615000000 Hz -7.2 dBmV 40.1 dB 54 2
36 Locked QAM256 621000000 Hz -7.6 dBmV 40.0 dB 57 0
37 Locked QAM256 627000000 Hz -7.4 dBmV 39.8 dB 61 0
38 Locked QAM256 633000000 Hz -7.0 dBmV 39.6 dB 56 0
39 Locked QAM256 639000000 Hz -7.0 dBmV 39.9 dB 48 0
40 Locked QAM256 645000000 Hz -7.3 dBmV 39.7 dB 52 0
41 Locked QAM256 651000000 Hz -7.7 dBmV 39.6 dB 61 0
42 Locked QAM256 657000000 Hz -8.0 dBmV 39.4 dB 53 4
43 Locked QAM256 663000000 Hz -7.9 dBmV 39.4 dB 54 0
44 Locked QAM256 669000000 Hz -7.3 dBmV 39.7 dB 56 0
159 Locked Other 690000000 Hz -6.7 dBmV 38.5 dB 291256849 0


Upstream Bonded Channels
Channel Channel ID Lock Status US Channel Type Frequency Width Power
1 1 Locked SC-QAM Upstream 35600000 Hz 6400000 Hz 49.0 dBmV
2 2 Locked SC-QAM Upstream 29200000 Hz 6400000 Hz 49.0 dBmV
3 3 Locked SC-QAM Upstream 22800000 Hz 6400000 Hz 49.0 dBmV
4 4 Locked SC-QAM Upstream 16400000 Hz 6400000 Hz 50.0 dBmV
5 5 Locked SC-QAM Upstream 39600000 Hz 1600000 Hz 49.0 dBmV

07/17/2023 08:09 82000500 3 "Started Unicast Maintenance Ranging - No Response received - T3 time-out;CM-MAC=XXXXXXXX;CMTS-MAC=XXXXXXXX;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1;"
07/17/2023 08:01 82000200 3 "No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out;CM-MAC=XXXXXXXX;CMTS-MAC=XXXXXXXX;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1;"
07/17/2023 08:01 82000400 3 "Received Response to Broadcast Maintenance Request, But no Unicast Maintenance opportunities received - T4 time out;CM-MAC=XXXXXXXX;CMTS-MAC=XXXXXXXX;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1;"
07/17/2023 08:00 82000500 3 "Started Unicast Maintenance Ranging - No Response received - T3 time-out;CM-MAC=XXXXXXXX;CMTS-MAC=XXXXXXXX;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1;"
07/17/2023 08:00 82000400 3 "Received Response to Broadcast Maintenance Request, But no Unicast Maintenance opportunities received - T4 time out;CM-MAC=XXXXXXXX;CMTS-MAC=XXXXXXXX;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1;"
07/17/2023 08:00 82000500 3 "Started Unicast Maintenance Ranging - No Response received - T3 time-out;CM-MAC=XXXXXXXX;CMTS-MAC=XXXXXXXX;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1;"
07/17/2023 07:56 74010100 6 "CM-STATUS message sent. Event Type Code: 6; Chan ID: 4; DSID: N/A; MAC Addr: N/A; OFDM/OFDMA Profile ID: N/A.;CM-MAC=XXXXXXXX;CMTS-MAC=XXXXXXXX;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1;"
07/17/2023 07:56 82000400 3 "Received Response to Broadcast Maintenance Request, But no Unicast Maintenance opportunities received - T4 time out;CM-MAC=XXXXXXXX;CMTS-MAC=XXXXXXXX;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1;"
07/17/2023 07:56 82000500 3 "Started Unicast Maintenance Ranging - No Response received - T3 time-out;CM-MAC=XXXXXXXX;CMTS-MAC=XXXXXXXX;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1;"

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2 years ago

The power levels are marginal to out-of-spec, and they may be intermittently fluctuating even farther out of spec. That can cause random disconnects, spontaneous re-booting of the modem, speed, packet loss, latency problems, and the un-bonding of channels.

You may want to get the techs involved again until they fix things properly. If you want to try things yourself, here are some things that you can try;

In an effort to try to obtain better connectivity / more wiggle room, check to see if there are there any excess/unneeded coax cable splitters in the line leading to the modem that can be eliminated/re-configured. Any splitters that remain should be high quality and cable rated for 5-1000 MHz, bi-directional, and no gold colored garbage from Home Depot, Target, Wal-Mart, etc. Splitters should be swapped with known to be good / new ones to test.

Also check the coax cable for any damage such as cuts, nicks, abrasions, kinks, sharp bends, etc.

If there aren't any unneeded splitters that can be eliminated and if your coax wiring setup can't be reconfigured so that there is a single two-way splitter connected directly off of the drop from the street / pole with one port feeding the modem and the other port feeding the rest of the house/equipment with additional splits as needed and you've checked all the wiring and fittings for integrity and tightness and refresh them by taking them apart then check for and clean off any corrosion / oxidation on the center wire and put them back together again, then perhaps it's best to get the techs re-involved.


Bear in mind that if the premises facing techs can not find or fix a problem at your home, it is they who are responsible for escalating it to their line / network / maintenance dept. techs. The problem may lie beyond your home in the local neighborhood infrastructure somewhere but it is their S.O.P. to start at the home. And if the problem is found to be on their side of the demarcation point, there will not be any charge. Good luck !

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2 years ago

Hello @user_0dae35. I wanted to see if you were able to try the suggestions our Expert provided. If so, how is your internet service working out for you since then?

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@XfinityRaul​ 

I had already removed the extra splitters the technician had installed the last visit. I tried every combination.

I tried connecting the cable direct to the modem and I get a high number of uncorrectables. I tried the old way the previous tech had it setup and it still errors out. The best so far has been a 4 way splitter from the outside line with a -3.5db on each line. But multiple times per day the internet just cuts out. I had to take a call this morning for work using my phones hotspot.

This is the current status:


Startup Procedure
Procedure Status Comment
Acquire Downstream Channel 579000000 Hz Locked
Connectivity State OK Operational
Boot State OK Operational
Configuration File OK
Security Enabled BPI+
DOCSIS Network Access Enabled Allowed

 

Downstream Bonded Channels
Channel ID Lock Status Modulation Frequency Power SNR/MER Corrected Uncorrectables
29 Locked QAM256 579000000 Hz -4.5 dBmV 41.0 dB 0 0
1 Locked QAM256 399000000 Hz -5.1 dBmV 42.0 dB 0 0
2 Locked QAM256 405000000 Hz -5.6 dBmV 41.8 dB 0 0
3 Locked QAM256 411000000 Hz -6.1 dBmV 41.7 dB 0 0
4 Locked QAM256 417000000 Hz -6.4 dBmV 41.7 dB 0 0
5 Locked QAM256 423000000 Hz -6.3 dBmV 41.7 dB 0 0
6 Locked QAM256 429000000 Hz -6.0 dBmV 41.7 dB 0 0
7 Locked QAM256 435000000 Hz -6.1 dBmV 41.7 dB 0 0
8 Locked QAM256 441000000 Hz -6.4 dBmV 41.7 dB 0 0
9 Locked QAM256 447000000 Hz -6.5 dBmV 41.6 dB 0 0
10 Locked QAM256 453000000 Hz -6.5 dBmV 41.6 dB 0 0
11 Locked QAM256 459000000 Hz -6.2 dBmV 41.6 dB 0 0
12 Locked QAM256 465000000 Hz -5.9 dBmV 41.6 dB 0 0
13 Locked QAM256 471000000 Hz -5.6 dBmV 41.7 dB 0 0
14 Locked QAM256 477000000 Hz -5.4 dBmV 41.8 dB 0 0
15 Locked QAM256 483000000 Hz -5.4 dBmV 41.7 dB 0 0
16 Locked QAM256 489000000 Hz -5.4 dBmV 41.7 dB 0 0
17 Locked QAM256 495000000 Hz -5.4 dBmV 41.5 dB 0 0
18 Locked QAM256 507000000 Hz -5.2 dBmV 41.6 dB 0 0
19 Locked QAM256 513000000 Hz -5.1 dBmV 41.6 dB 0 0
20 Locked QAM256 519000000 Hz -4.9 dBmV 41.3 dB 0 0
21 Locked QAM256 525000000 Hz -5.0 dBmV 41.2 dB 0 0
22 Locked QAM256 531000000 Hz -5.0 dBmV 41.4 dB 0 0
23 Locked QAM256 537000000 Hz -5.1 dBmV 41.3 dB 0 0
24 Locked QAM256 543000000 Hz -5.0 dBmV 41.3 dB 0 0
25 Locked QAM256 555000000 Hz -4.3 dBmV 41.6 dB 0 0
26 Locked QAM256 561000000 Hz -4.1 dBmV 41.6 dB 0 0
27 Locked QAM256 567000000 Hz -4.2 dBmV 41.4 dB 0 0
28 Locked QAM256 573000000 Hz -4.5 dBmV 41.1 dB 0 0
30 Locked QAM256 585000000 Hz -4.6 dBmV 41.1 dB 0 0
31 Locked QAM256 591000000 Hz -4.5 dBmV 41.0 dB 0 0
32 Locked QAM256 597000000 Hz -4.4 dBmV 41.0 dB 0 0
159 Locked Other 690000000 Hz -5.9 dBmV 38.5 dB 341180122 0


 

Upstream Bonded Channels
Channel Channel ID Lock Status US Channel Type Frequency Width Power
1 1 Locked SC-QAM Upstream 35600000 Hz 6400000 Hz 48.0 dBmV
2 2 Locked SC-QAM Upstream 29200000 Hz 6400000 Hz 49.0 dBmV
3 3 Locked SC-QAM Upstream 22800000 Hz 6400000 Hz 48.0 dBmV
4 4 Locked SC-QAM Upstream 16400000 Hz 6400000 Hz 48.0 dBmV
5 5 Locked SC-QAM Upstream 39600000 Hz 1600000 Hz 49.0 dBmV




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2 years ago

Thanks for trying every possible option, @user_0dae35. I'd like to take a further look at your account to see if there's anything I can do to help resolve this once and for all. In order to get started, can you please send me a private message to Xfinity Support with your full name and full address by clicking the chat icon in the top right?

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@XfinityRaul​ 

You don't show as an available option for one of the people to message. Can you also receive messages at XfinitySupport?

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2 years ago

@user_0dae35 

The line stat numbers are still marginal. If there is nothing more that can be done to improve the connection quality, then you'll need a tech visit as stated. Good luck with it !

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@EG​ 

So what would non-marginal numbers look like? Just so I'm aware.

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@user_0dae35 I apologize for the confusion. Please, direct your message to "Xfinity Support" and an Official Employee will respond. Our Xfinity Forums team works cohesively, so you may see multiple employees working to resolve your issue.

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@EG​ Finally got it closer to 0! Hopefully this fixes the intermittent issue. I moved the model coax cable from the -7db slot to the -3.5 slot.



Startup Procedure
Procedure Status Comment
Acquire Downstream Channel 651000000 Hz Locked
Connectivity State OK Operational
Boot State OK Operational
Configuration File OK
Security Enabled BPI+
DOCSIS Network Access Enabled Allowed

 

Downstream Bonded Channels
Channel ID Lock Status Modulation Frequency Power SNR/MER Corrected Uncorrectables
41 Locked QAM256 651000000 Hz -2.1 dBmV 40.2 dB 0 0
13 Locked QAM256 471000000 Hz -1.3 dBmV 42.1 dB 0 0
14 Locked QAM256 477000000 Hz -1.2 dBmV 42.2 dB 0 0
15 Locked QAM256 483000000 Hz -1.2 dBmV 42.3 dB 0 0
16 Locked QAM256 489000000 Hz -1.1 dBmV 42.3 dB 0 0
17 Locked QAM256 495000000 Hz -0.9 dBmV 42.1 dB 0 0
18 Locked QAM256 507000000 Hz -0.6 dBmV 42.3 dB 0 0
19 Locked QAM256 513000000 Hz -0.6 dBmV 42.2 dB 0 0
20 Locked QAM256 519000000 Hz -0.5 dBmV 41.7 dB 0 0
21 Locked QAM256 525000000 Hz -0.4 dBmV 41.7 dB 0 0
22 Locked QAM256 531000000 Hz -0.3 dBmV 42.0 dB 0 0
23 Locked QAM256 537000000 Hz -0.2 dBmV 41.9 dB 0 0
24 Locked QAM256 543000000 Hz -0.1 dBmV 42.0 dB 0 0
25 Locked QAM256 555000000 Hz 0.2 dBmV 42.1 dB 0 0
26 Locked QAM256 561000000 Hz 0.2 dBmV 42.0 dB 0 0
27 Locked QAM256 567000000 Hz 0.1 dBmV 41.8 dB 0 0
28 Locked QAM256 573000000 Hz 0.1 dBmV 41.4 dB 0 0
29 Locked QAM256 579000000 Hz 0.3 dBmV 41.5 dB 0 0
30 Locked QAM256 585000000 Hz 0.3 dBmV 41.5 dB 0 0
31 Locked QAM256 591000000 Hz 0.1 dBmV 41.5 dB 0 0
32 Locked QAM256 597000000 Hz -0.1 dBmV 41.4 dB 0 0
33 Locked QAM256 603000000 Hz -0.4 dBmV 41.3 dB 0 0
34 Locked QAM256 609000000 Hz -0.7 dBmV 41.1 dB 0 0
35 Locked QAM256 615000000 Hz -0.9 dBmV 40.8 dB 0 0
36 Locked QAM256 621000000 Hz -1.0 dBmV 40.7 dB 0 0
37 Locked QAM256 627000000 Hz -1.2 dBmV 40.5 dB 0 0
38 Locked QAM256 633000000 Hz -1.4 dBmV 40.2 dB 0 0
39 Locked QAM256 639000000 Hz -1.7 dBmV 40.3 dB 0 0
40 Locked QAM256 645000000 Hz -2.0 dBmV 40.2 dB 0 0
42 Locked QAM256 657000000 Hz -2.1 dBmV 40.2 dB 0 0
43 Locked QAM256 663000000 Hz -2.0 dBmV 40.2 dB 0 0
44 Locked QAM256 669000000 Hz -1.8 dBmV 40.3 dB 0 0
159 Locked Other 690000000 Hz -0.4 dBmV 39.0 dB 31650320 0


 

Upstream Bonded Channels
Channel Channel ID Lock Status US Channel Type Frequency Width Power
1 1 Locked SC-QAM Upstream 35600000 Hz 6400000 Hz 44.0 dBmV
2 2 Locked SC-QAM Upstream 29200000 Hz 6400000 Hz 45.0 dBmV
3 3 Locked SC-QAM Upstream 22800000 Hz 6400000 Hz 44.0 dBmV
4 4 Locked SC-QAM Upstream 16400000 Hz 6400000 Hz 43.0 dBmV
5 5 Locked SC-QAM Upstream 39600000 Hz 1600000 Hz 45.0 dBmV



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2 years ago

@user_0dae35 The numbers are in the Internet Troubleshooting Tips pinned topic at the top of this board;

 

Specification      Min             Max
Downstream Power Level    
Cable Modems -10dBmV +10dBmV
Gateways and EMTAs -7dBmV +7dBmV
Downstream Signal to Noise Ratio 35dB -
Upstream Power Level +35dBmV +50dBmV
Upstream Signal to Noise Ratio 31dB -
Upstream Receive Power -2dBmV +2dBmV

 

Note: Not all modems will allow you to view the status page and some will have different URLs to access this info. If you are unable to access your modem’s status page, you can contact Comcast Customer Support and ask the support representative for these values.

(edited)

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@EG​ Ok so closer to 0 is better. I upgraded the splitter to a brand I saw the comcast techs use. Got a little better numbers around -3.



Got my issue escalated and now I have a tech coming out Saturday to check out. Right before I posted this we lost internet for a few minutes.

Startup Procedure
Procedure Status Comment
Acquire Downstream Channel 579000000 Hz Locked
Connectivity State OK Operational
Boot State OK Operational
Configuration File OK
Security Enabled BPI+
DOCSIS Network Access Enabled Allowed

 

Downstream Bonded Channels
Channel ID Lock Status Modulation Frequency Power SNR/MER Corrected Uncorrectables
29 Locked QAM256 579000000 Hz -3.2 dBmV 41.2 dB 0 0
1 Locked QAM256 399000000 Hz -4.5 dBmV 42.2 dB 0 0
2 Locked QAM256 405000000 Hz -4.7 dBmV 42.2 dB 0 0
3 Locked QAM256 411000000 Hz -4.9 dBmV 42.1 dB 0 0
4 Locked QAM256 417000000 Hz -5.1 dBmV 42.2 dB 0 0
5 Locked QAM256 423000000 Hz -5.1 dBmV 41.9 dB 0 0
6 Locked QAM256 429000000 Hz -5.2 dBmV 42.0 dB 0 0
7 Locked QAM256 435000000 Hz -5.2 dBmV 41.9 dB 0 0
8 Locked QAM256 441000000 Hz -5.4 dBmV 41.8 dB 0 0
9 Locked QAM256 447000000 Hz -5.4 dBmV 41.8 dB 0 0
10 Locked QAM256 453000000 Hz -5.3 dBmV 42.0 dB 0 0
11 Locked QAM256 459000000 Hz -5.1 dBmV 41.9 dB 0 0
12 Locked QAM256 465000000 Hz -4.9 dBmV 41.9 dB 0 0
13 Locked QAM256 471000000 Hz -4.8 dBmV 41.9 dB 0 0
14 Locked QAM256 477000000 Hz -4.6 dBmV 41.9 dB 0 0
15 Locked QAM256 483000000 Hz -4.5 dBmV 41.9 dB 0 0
16 Locked QAM256 489000000 Hz -4.4 dBmV 42.0 dB 0 0
17 Locked QAM256 495000000 Hz -4.3 dBmV 41.9 dB 0 0
18 Locked QAM256 507000000 Hz -4.1 dBmV 42.0 dB 0 0
19 Locked QAM256 513000000 Hz -4.0 dBmV 41.9 dB 0 0
20 Locked QAM256 519000000 Hz -3.9 dBmV 41.3 dB 0 0
21 Locked QAM256 525000000 Hz -3.9 dBmV 41.5 dB 0 0
22 Locked QAM256 531000000 Hz -3.9 dBmV 41.7 dB 0 0
23 Locked QAM256 537000000 Hz -3.8 dBmV 41.7 dB 0 0
24 Locked QAM256 543000000 Hz -3.8 dBmV 41.6 dB 0 0
25 Locked QAM256 555000000 Hz -3.3 dBmV 41.7 dB 0 0
26 Locked QAM256 561000000 Hz -3.3 dBmV 41.7 dB 0 0
27 Locked QAM256 567000000 Hz -3.3 dBmV 41.6 dB 0 0
28 Locked QAM256 573000000 Hz -3.4 dBmV 41.0 dB 0 0
30 Locked QAM256 585000000 Hz -3.3 dBmV 41.3 dB 0 0
31 Locked QAM256 591000000 Hz -3.5 dBmV 41.2 dB 0 0
32 Locked QAM256 597000000 Hz -3.6 dBmV 41.0 dB 0 0
159 Locked Other 690000000 Hz -4.3 dBmV 38.5 dB 1851207662 0


 

Upstream Bonded Channels
Channel Channel ID Lock Status US Channel Type Frequency Width Power
1 1 Locked SC-QAM Upstream 35600000 Hz 6400000 Hz 47.0 dBmV
2 2 Locked SC-QAM Upstream 29200000 Hz 6400000 Hz 48.0 dBmV
3 3 Locked SC-QAM Upstream 22800000 Hz 6400000 Hz 47.0 dBmV
4 4 Locked SC-QAM Upstream 16400000 Hz 6400000 Hz 47.0 dBmV
5 5 Locked SC-QAM Upstream 39600000 Hz 1600000 Hz 48.0 dBmV


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2 years ago

Man this is sad. I had a tech come out Saturday and he was here for no more than 5 minutes. "Your numbers in your house are good" Left in less than 10 minutes. 

Internet and TV kept dropping. Upload speeds were less than 1mbps yesterday. I had to switch the modem cable to the first splitter coming out of the main cable. Downstream power levels were all within 1 of 0. No corrected, no uncorrectables. Internet was great last night from around 5:30PM till this morning.

All of a sudden I wake up for work and the internet goes out. My wife and I had to go to Starbucks to work because we both work from home and the internet kept dropping every 10 minutes or so.

Had another tech come out today. I followed him from the outside box to the box in front of the house to the line coming in the house to the router. And every test he did he just kept saying "See look how the speed is", "You are getting good speeds". Told him speed isn't the issue, its stability. This is ridiculous.

This tech happened to show me his phone and the map that shows them the calls around the area. We happened to be inside what he called a "call cluster". A big red cone around my house and the neighborhood. He still tried to sell me on the fact that it's not their fault, and its either the modem or one of our devices in the house causing it. 

I connected my PC direct to the SB8200 and to a TP Link modem, and issue still persists. This issue just started happening less than 10 days ago. We made no changes within or outside the house. They had maintenance trucks on our block all of last week. Every single day for about 4 hours there was a maintenance tech working outside. With a bucket truck, not a regular house tech. 

I asked our next door neighbor who also has Xfinity, and he said about a week ago he started to notice his TV would freeze when hes watching it and that his internet would go out. What is this SCAM of a company?

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