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Monday, July 31st, 2023 1:00 PM

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High Upstream Power Levels

I have a CM1000 and have a 800/20 plan. Yesterday I installed GoCoax MoCA 2.5 adapters to my network so I can utilize 3 unused coax cable jacks in a few rooms of the house to provide ethernet-like connections to serve as a wired backhaul for my Orbi mesh network satellites.

Internet seems to be working fine - haven't experienced drops or connectivity issues yet. Direct connection to the GoCoax adapters using an ethernet cable plugged to a laptop gets me anywhere from 850-910 Mbps which is great.

My question is around my cable modem stats (taken as of 15 min ago of this post):

<tabindex=-1>Startup Procedure</tabindex=-1>
Procedure Status Comment
Acquire Downstream Channel 393000000 Hz Locked
Connectivity State OK Operational
Boot State OK Operational
Security Enable BPI+
IP Provisioning Mode Honor MDD IPv6 only

<tabindex=-1>Downstream Bonded Channels</tabindex=-1>
Channel Lock Status Modulation Channel ID Frequency Power SNR / MER Unerrored Codewords Correctable Codewords Uncorrectable Codewords
1 Locked QAM256 42 393000000 Hz 0.0 dBmV 41.8 dB 1475102408 0 0
2 Locked QAM256 1 417000000 Hz 0.8 dBmV 42.0 dB 1473606263 0 0
3 Locked QAM256 2 423000000 Hz 0.5 dBmV 41.9 dB 1473611090 0 0
4 Locked QAM256 3 429000000 Hz 0.3 dBmV 42.0 dB 1473613666 0 0
5 Locked QAM256 4 435000000 Hz 0.0 dBmV 41.7 dB 1473617085 0 0
6 Locked QAM256 5 453000000 Hz -0.5 dBmV 41.5 dB 1473620592 0 0
7 Locked QAM256 6 459000000 Hz -0.3 dBmV 41.4 dB 1473624569 0 0
8 Locked QAM256 7 465000000 Hz 0.0 dBmV 41.7 dB 1473627728 0 0
9 Locked QAM256 8 471000000 Hz 0.1 dBmV 41.6 dB 1473634047 0 0
10 Locked QAM256 9 477000000 Hz 0.2 dBmV 41.6 dB 1473637621 0 0
11 Locked QAM256 10 483000000 Hz 0.0 dBmV 41.7 dB 1473640754 0 0
12 Locked QAM256 11 489000000 Hz 0.3 dBmV 41.8 dB 1473644778 0 0
13 Locked QAM256 12 495000000 Hz 0.2 dBmV 41.6 dB 1473648593 0 0
14 Locked QAM256 13 507000000 Hz 0.9 dBmV 41.8 dB 1473652594 0 0
15 Locked QAM256 14 513000000 Hz 1.3 dBmV 42.0 dB 1473655647 0 0
16 Locked QAM256 15 519000000 Hz 1.4 dBmV 42.0 dB 1473659998 0 0
17 Locked QAM256 16 525000000 Hz 1.9 dBmV 42.1 dB 1473669272 0 0
18 Locked QAM256 17 531000000 Hz 1.7 dBmV 42.0 dB 1473672234 0 0
19 Locked QAM256 18 537000000 Hz 1.7 dBmV 41.8 dB 1473677143 0 0
20 Locked QAM256 19 543000000 Hz 1.4 dBmV 41.9 dB 1473680050 0 0
21 Locked QAM256 20 549000000 Hz 0.9 dBmV 41.8 dB 1473684154 0 0
22 Locked QAM256 21 555000000 Hz 1.4 dBmV 41.9 dB 1473688218 0 0
23 Locked QAM256 22 561000000 Hz 1.4 dBmV 41.7 dB 1473691734 0 0
24 Locked QAM256 23 567000000 Hz 1.9 dBmV 42.0 dB 1473695680 0 0
25 Locked QAM256 24 573000000 Hz 2.1 dBmV 41.9 dB 1473698932 0 0
26 Locked QAM256 25 579000000 Hz 2.1 dBmV 42.1 dB 1473703202 0 0
27 Locked QAM256 26 585000000 Hz 2.1 dBmV 42.0 dB 1473701694 0 0
28 Locked QAM256 27 591000000 Hz 1.7 dBmV 42.0 dB 1473703580 0 0
29 Locked QAM256 43 399000000 Hz 0.2 dBmV 42.0 dB 1473675582 0 0
30 Locked QAM256 44 405000000 Hz 0.4 dBmV 42.0 dB 1473678028 0 0
31 Locked QAM256 45 411000000 Hz 0.5 dBmV 42.0 dB 1473680269 0 0
32 Not Locked Unknown 0 0 Hz 0.0 dBmV 0.0 dB 0 0 0

<tabindex=-1>Upstream Bonded Channels</tabindex=-1>
Channel Lock Status Modulation Channel ID Frequency Power
1 Locked ATDMA 1 35600000 Hz 50.5 dBmV
2 Locked ATDMA 2 29200000 Hz 51.3 dBmV
3 Locked ATDMA 3 22800000 Hz 50.8 dBmV
4 Locked ATDMA 4 16400000 Hz 50.8 dBmV
5 Locked ATDMA 5 39600000 Hz 50.0 dBmV
6 Not Locked Unknown 0 0 Hz 0.0 dBmV
7 Not Locked Unknown 0 0 Hz 0.0 dBmV
8 Not Locked Unknown 0 0 Hz 0.0 dBmV

<tabindex=-1>Downstream OFDM Channels</tabindex=-1>
Channel Lock Status Modulation / Profile ID Channel ID Frequency Power SNR / MER Active Subcarrier Number Range Unerrored Codewords Correctable Codewords Uncorrectable Codewords
1 Locked 0, 1, 2, 3 41 690000000 Hz 3.5 dBmV 40.3 dB 1108 ~ 2987 164388230 152837042 0
2 Not Locked 0 0 0 Hz -1.8 dBmV 0.0 dB 0 ~ 4095 0 0 0

<tabindex=-1>Upstream OFDMA Channels</tabindex=-1>
Channel Lock Status Modulation / Profile ID Channel ID Frequency Power
1 Not Locked Unknown 0 0 Hz 0 dBmV
2 Not Locked Unknown 0 0 Hz 0 dBmV

From what I've read and understand, my downstream signals look good as far as power and SNR levels. However, my upstream power looks pretty high hovering around 50-51 dbmV. Like I said, currently not experiencing any Internet problems or connectivity issues at the moment but I know that upstream power range is almost to the max accepted or tolerance limit without any buffer.

Before my MoCA install, I did not have any splitters on my coax. I remember having a higher downstream power, so I added an attenuator which knocked down the power by -6 dbmV to get it close to 0-2 dbmV for each locked channel. Downstream SNRs were roughly similar as above ranging between 40-42 db. My upstream power was about 48-49 dbmV across the locked channels. 

After installing MoCA, I needed to add 2 splitters in the mix for the adapters to work. The first splitter is a 3-way is connected to the cable coming into the house, with the lowest db loss terminal out connected to the coax running to my upstairs office jack. From my office jack, another short coax cable is connected to a 2-way splitter (-4.5db loss to each output terminal) where one terminal is connected to my cable modem and the other terminal is connected to the MoCA coax terminal of the GoCoax adapter. I removed the attenuator that I had installed on the cable modem before MoCA. The stats you see above is with this current setup that I have now as I'm typing this post.

I know adding splitters along the way increases upstream power levels, but I don't think I can get around this, so a few questions:

  1. Is there any way of lowering the upstream power level effectively?
  2. Would getting 2-way splitters that are -3.5 db loss vs the 4.5 I have now, though I'm not sure if that helps with the upstream levels?
  3. Is this truly something an Xfinity tech needs to assist with?

Thanks everyone in advance.

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110K Messages

2 years ago

Yep. The upstream power is borderline / too high. There's no wiggle room to allow for the inevitable intermittent fluctuations of it. It may be a problem just waiting to happen. The 3.5 dB loss splitters will help a bit but it may not be enough. An active splitter / zero loss amplifier or an amp with an active return may be needed instead of passive splitters.

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2 years ago

Thanks EG. I'm not familiar with what an active splitter or zero loss amplifier - any recommendations on which and how to install? Or do you recommend getting a tech out to assist with balancing the upstream levels?

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2 years ago

Since you are not having any problems, you may want to consider trying a wait-and-see approach. If you do have problems, perhaps it indeed would be best to get a tech out. Be advised, at the tech's discretion, there may be around a one hundred dollar charge for their service. Good luck !

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2 years ago

Appreciate it. Since I have to have splitters for my MoCA setup to work properly, do you think swapping out the ones I have with lower loss output terminals would help upstream power levels at all? I just got the standard splitters meant for MocA frequencies, but not sure if there are other ones (still compatible with MocA) but with lesser loss.

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110K Messages

2 years ago

Yes. Theoretically, it will help, but it may not be enough as was stated. If you only gain 1, 2, or 3 dB less loss, that still may not be enough wiggle room. Two-way (3.5 dB loss) MoCA-compliant splitters are the lowest-loss passive splitters that are made.

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2 years ago

Thanks EG. I'm going to look into swapping out that 2-way splitter I have for a lower loss (-3.5 db) one that you suggested.

On a side note, I've read on the Xfinity forums that the specific tolerance range for upstream power is:

Upstream Power Level:  +25dBmV to +54dBmV

Upstream Signal to Noise Ratio (uSNR): >31dB  

Being that my upstream power fluctuates between 50-51.5 dbmV, is this why I haven't experienced any disconnects or modem reboots?

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2 years ago

That's incorrect. These are the specs from the "Internet Troubleshooting Tips" topic that is pinned at the top of this help board;

 

Specification      Min             Max
Downstream Power Level    
Cable Modems -10dBmV +10dBmV
Gateways and EMTAs -7dBmV +7dBmV
Downstream Signal to Noise Ratio 35dB -
Upstream Power Level +35dBmV +50dBmV
Upstream Signal to Noise Ratio 31dB -
Upstream Receive Power -2dBmV +2dBmV

50-51 is just about the upper limit. Bear in mind that some makes and models of modem's chipsets are more forgiving of less than perfect signals / connection quality than others are.

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2 years ago

Got it - thanks for clarifying. I'll keep you posted when I get that -3.5 db loss splitter and swap it out from my existing to see if it makes any difference. Appreciate your help!

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@unioncorps2021 thank you for taking the time to reach out to us here on our Xfinity Forums! It looks like @EG has given some solid advice regarding your mesh set up. I understand you had some concerns regarding the signals going to the modem itself. I would be happy to take a look and make sure everything is within spec on our end. Just send us a DM to Xfinity Support with your full name and address. 

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2 years ago

Ok. Good luck !

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2 years ago

So to update, I'm still with my MoCA setup, and have not experienced any drops or internet connectivity issues.

Yesterday I received my new splitter that has a 1 db lower loss than the one I'm currently using for my setup. I swapped out my 2-way splitter that had a -4.5 db loss for both output terminals for another 2-way splitter that has -3.5 db loss to each terminal. The hope was that swapping the splitters would have a positive impact to lowering my upstream power levels slightly.

 

Looked at the cable modem signals and downstream remained the relatively the same as before, but the upstream levels actually increased! Definitely was not expecting that - I was thinking that the power would go down very slightly. Before I had power between 50 - 51.5 as the max.

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I had restarted the modem and still surprised I got these stats. The modem has been up for roughly 15 hours now, no drops, no disconnects, and internet working fine as it did before. Modem log is empty.

 

Is this expected? Am I missing something?

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Hey there, @unioncorps2021! Hmm, that certainly is interesting that you are seeing the Upstream levels increase a bit. Like mentioned, the new spillters may have buffered it down a little. I would like to look at the signals on our end to ensure there isn't anything we can do. Please send us a DM.

 

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2 years ago

@unioncorps2021 Perhaps the line conditions have changed and that has negated that 1 dB gain ? 1 dB is not nearly enough to be able to be used as a point of reference / comparison. Line conditions can vary by 3-4 dB daily.

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