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Daily Periodic and Random Internet loss with a Motorola MT8733

Sorry for the novel here, but it gets old having to provide the history of what has been occurring every time I reach out to Xfinity support so I figured I would give the forum a try given the large number of customers experiencing the same/similar type of problems with Internet service.

I have been having random and now a periodic loss (every 12 hours) of Internet connectivity with a Motorola MT8733 modem.  After contacting support about this issue, a commercial service tech was sent to my house to verify the wiring along with the signal levels which were said to all be correct and that he didn’t know why I would be having this issue.  The only potential concern identified by the tech at the time was some uncorrected errors.  He said he would open a ticket to monitor my service for 10-days with a follow up call which I found never occurred during a subsequent call to tech support.  I mentioned that there are numerous reports of these types of problems online and in the forum and he indicated that the modem is approved for use and should not be a problem but that maybe I received a bad modem.  To rule this out I returned the modem and installed the replacement with no improvement.

After the visit by the tech, I stopped resetting the modem and let it self-recover to determine how long it was offline each time I lose Internet connectivity.  Since the onsite visit I have been running a program pinging the modem and a Google Public DNS IP every 10 seconds to generate a log of when my Internet service drops.  I also have been recording the power levels daily looking for any changes or values out of range.

Currently my modem drops the connection at 1AM and 1PM give or take a few minutes each day along with some random drops usually after I have made some change to my setup to determine if it has any effect.  I have contacted Xfinity support multiple times with no resolution.  Each time they refresh the signal and resync everything and ask me to see if the problem goes away which it never does.  Using the Chat in the App always leads to resetting the modem as the only option which I know does not correct the problem. During a recent support call I was told to contact Motorola to see if there were any settings that needed to be made for Xfinity. 

Yesterday I contacted Motorola tech support and after providing them my power levels and event log, and my home setup, they thought there might be an issue with the splitter on the incoming cable which has only about 3-5 feet of cable between it and the block at the service entrance to my house. I had a brand new one previously provided by Xfinity so I replaced it with no apparent improvement. After the change Motorola said, “The uptime on the modem is only 6 minutes and there are already corrected errors on the OFDM channel” Asking them what should be expected their reply was “On the OFDM channel you should have zero errors, but in 6-7 minutes you've got almost 1 million”.  They then asked if I had a wall plate which I do, and it has less than 8 feet of cable from it to the location in the basement where the splitter is.

I told the Motorola tech that I would move the modem to the basement to eliminate the wall plate from the picture.  They said that some levels might not be set correctly, not sure what they were referring to but needed an Event Log with a bigger uptime, something around 24 h.  After reviewing my event log Motorola said the following:

According to the errors from the logs, you have 16 & 24 event type codes, T3 timeout, and Dynamic Range Window Violation

Event Type Code 16 which is an intermittent spike in noise in the lines, and the subsequent Code 24 which is that noise resolving. 

Dynamic Range Window Violation essentially means the CMTS/Tap on the pole is trying to assign the modem bad information. The modem refuses. The CMTS/Tap on the pole forces the Modem to reboot.

T3 time-out occurs when your cable modem cannot effectively communicate with the ISP'S CMTS. The modem will send up-ranging requests to your ISP and display a “no ranging response received” error if the CMTS fails to respond. The cable modem is therefore resetting its cable interface and restarting the registration process. This typically is caused by noise on the upstream that causes the loss of MAC-layer messages.

I asked the tech that if after I move the modem to the basement, eliminating all customer wiring other than the 3-5 feet of cable from the service entrance to the input of the splitter and the 3 foot cable from the splitter to the modem and the problem still occurs if this confirms the issue is external to my house and their response was “I believe is something with their CMTS not communicating accordingly with your modem. But unfortunately, I can't figure out what is exactly so you will have to check again with a technician”

I’ve been running with this configuration since yesterday and like clockwork at 1:02PM yesterday and at 1:03AM this morning my Internet went down (usually lasts 5-7 minutes, occasionally longer).  After resetting the modem this morning to clear out some uncorrected errors that most likely were caused when moving the modem and reattaching cables, I took a screen capture of the power levels and within a few minutes the corrected errors were showing up on the OFDM channel that Motorola was concerned about.  I was monitoring these yesterday and they were occurring at an average rate of 234K/minute.

The issue appears to be with the infrastructure in my area not being able to handle the higher data rates and increased traffic from people working from home and streaming more data on the network.  I was upgraded to a 1.2Gbps plan last March which coincidentally seems to be when these types of problems may have started, only to get worse as time progressed.

I would think that a periodic loss of Internet connectivity would be something that could be monitored by Xfinity to try and get to the root cause, but all interactions with support to this point only result in a refresh and resync of the modem which obviously is not fixing the problem.

I’d really appreciate it if someone from Xfinity can contact me about this problem so that I can get it resolved. I can’t adjust my work schedule around the times when I know I’m going to lose connectivity or drop offline during meetings when the random events occur.

 

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2 years ago

After getting Xfinity to admit there was an issue with a node in my area, they still never fixed the problem.  So I cancelled my Xfinity service and switched to a fiber ISP. I now have reliable, symmetrical upload and download speeds around 960Mbps with no more drop outs. Problem solved.

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2 years ago

I am following this because I am having similar issues. Are they trying to force all of us to Xfinity modems? I have a tech appointment on Saturday I'll let you know if we find the solution. 

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@user_0ef58c​ The tech that visited my house didn't think that it was due to the Motorola modem as he confirmed it was tested and approved for use by Xfinity.  During a couple of my calls to support I volunteered to try an Xfinity modem to see if the problem goes away as this would most likely confirm the issue is specific to the Motorola MT8733 modem.  This went nowhere.  If this issue is specific to the Motorola modem then that they should put a disclaimer on their site notifying customers that intermittent drop outs could occur, but I'd be surprised if that is the root cause.

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@rgonchar​ yeah, I doubt it too since I had the same issue with my old arris (which I then upgraded to a Motorola cm1200 on oct 7). 

I've been in constant communication since oct 15, did my due diligence, all new lines in my yard and house, new laptop new Ethernet new modem, clearly relates to infrastructure and/or the work done in September -- and get this, they're telling me the next step is to try their modem. Lol! That's the only reason I mentioned it. They seem to really be pushing those while their infrastructure updates seem to be causing issues 

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Same here.  This is my third modem as I initially replaced an older Motorola modem about 3 weeks ago that wasn't giving me the full speeds I was paying for thinking that it was old and was the cause of the problems I have been seeing.  The problem occurred with both MT8733s I've tried.  Pretty much everything inside the house has been updated to rule out my wiring.  I've also reached out to co-workers who have Xfinity modems and they have had similar issues that appear to come and go, but not to the extent I am seeing.  The main difference in a review of their connection status is a lower number of corrected errors, but their event logs have the same errors I am seeing with the MT8733. I have been working from home since March 2020, am online all day and didn't have these problems until the last 6 months or so.

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2 years ago

The resolution to this issue seems to confirm my suspicion about the speed potentially being the root cause https://forums.xfinity.com/conversations/your-home-network/dropped-packets-every-11-minutes-exactly/6373c824bff9a5603666c603 .  Once my speed was increased it appears that is when I started dropping the connection.  Sure sounds like the infrastructure can't handle the traffic.

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@rgonchar​ interesting. I did upgrade my speed. Maybe I need to downgrade it? Seems odd but .. I don't really need 1.2gb download speeds, and the upload speed probly isn't hugely different

Thanks for sharing the link to that forum post, I will have that up when the techs visit tomorrow. 

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2 years ago

I’ve owned my Motorola MT8733 since December 4, 2021, enjoying flawless operation the entire time.  Motorola performed a “Firmware Update,” on my Motorola MT8733 modem/router, at 4:22 a.m., on Wednesday, January 25, 2023.  My MT8733 will now no longer recognize its factory-assigned password.  Consequently, I’m unable to connect to my “Xfinity” residential internet service.  There are no reported Xfinity service outages in my area.  Xfinity help with this problem is very limited because my modem is customer-owned equipment.  None of my Wi-Fi-dependent applications/devices will now function.  I repeatedly re-booted both my iPhone 14 Pro Max and my Motorola MT8733, with no luck.  All of the software updates on my iPhone 14 Pro Max are current.  I performed a “System Refresh” of my Xfinity services.  No desk-top or notebook computers are available for testing.  Finally, I performed two Motorola MT8733 “Factory Resets,” with zero restoration of my internet connection.

Thursday, January 26, 2023 5:00 a.m./“Rachio” E-Mail Notification Headline:

“Your Rachio-C297E2 controller went offline at Wednesday, January 25 04:25 AM.”

NOTE THAT THE INTERNET CONNECTION TO MY RACHIO CONTROLLER DROPPED WITHIN JUST THREE MINUTES OF THE MOTOROLA FIRMWARE UPDATE.  I WOULD NEVER HAVE CAUGHT THE “FIRMWARE UPDATE”-FACTOR IN ALL OF THIS CHAOS HAD IT NOT BEEN FOR THE ON-LINE ACTIVITY LOGS LOCATED WITHIN THE MOTOROLA “MOTO SYNC” APPLICATION.

Thursday, January 26, 2023 approximately 9:30 a.m.:

Motorola Customer Support telephone representative, “Max T.,” re-set my MT8733 password following a third factory re-boot, but my internet connection dropped permanently, once again, within minutes after we’d finished the call.

Place-of-purchase has agreed to an even exchange, but balancing possible future problems with this unit against my effort and time is most definitely an issue.

Thank you.

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