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Another Motorola MB8611 rebooting and losing WAN post

I've seen a few other posts with this similar issue. I've had another ISP for about 2 years and no issues, although the speeds were lower. After switching to Xfinity, I bought a MB8611 router (looked like the best for the money) and I've had issues for the last 2 months since I've had Xfinity. The router shows the WAN as disconnected multiple times a day (I have a mid-tier Asus router that is about 9 months old that has had no issues previously). The MB8611 logs shows that it has rebooted each time this happens, and there are T3 timeouts and Sync Timing Failures showing up in the modem logs. I've looked at my SNR's and they are around 40-41. I have had Xfinity techs come to my home twice and they didn't find any issues with my router setup, and they said all the lines look like they're in spec. Today the tech put something on my cable coming into my house to make it run "not as hot" so as to not overload my modem, apparently. Since then, I've had two dropouts where the modem has reset itself, so clearly that didn't solve the issue. I do see some channels in the modem interface that show some unresolvable errors. Would these be the issues? If so, why would the Xfinity techs tell me my signal is perfect? I don't have any splitters at all coming off my coaxial cable, btw, and it's only being used for my modem (not for any TV's etc.). Any ideas? I'll try to post my signal stuff here. 

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Please copy all of the text in its entirety of the *Downstream Power Levels*, the *SNR's* (Signal to Noise Ratios), and the *Upstream Power Level* numbers and paste them into your next post.

Please also post RF error log entries as well in their entirety (copy and paste them, don't post a screenshot) but redact the CM MAC and the CMTS MAC addresses for your privacy. They are considered to be personal information. Personally identifying information is a violation of their forum guidelines. The forum bot will not allow your post to be seen publically.

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4 years ago

Hey there, @f2point8. Thank you for creating this post. I understand that the technicians state there are no issues with the lines, and I do not believe that signal issues would cause a restart of the device itself. Have you attempted using any other modems to verify if there are any issues with them? 

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@XfinityEdgardo Wrote: "and I do not believe that signal issues would cause a restart of the device itself."

It certainly can. Any RF signal impairment / line connection quality problem that causes a loss of block sync of the modem with the system can cause spontaneous rebooting of the modem as it tries to re-range for a connection.

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Edgardo, I am going to try another modem tomorrow if I can get ahold of one.  I did send the info from the modem to a support person at Motorola who says the problem is with the signal quality. I'm getting frustrated because this has quickly turned into a situation where Motorola and Xfinity are each pointing their fingers at each other as the problem.  

I think these are the numbers EG asked for... I hope I got all the MAC addresses cut out 

Downstream Bonded Channels  
  
   Channel Lock Status Modulation Channel ID Freq. (MHz) Pwr (dBmV) SNR (dB) Corrected Uncorrected
   1 Locked QAM256 20 501.0 4.0 41.1 0 0
   2 Locked QAM256 17 483.0 4.1 41.1 0 0
   3 Locked QAM256 18 489.0 4.1 41.2 0 0
   4 Locked QAM256 19 495.0 4.1 41.2 0 0
   5 Locked QAM256 21 507.0 4.0 41.2 0 0
   6 Locked QAM256 22 513.0 3.8 41.1 0 0
   7 Locked QAM256 23 519.0 3.9 41.2 0 0
   8 Locked QAM256 24 525.0 3.8 41.0 0 0
   9 Locked QAM256 25 531.0 3.7 41.0 0 0
   10 Locked QAM256 26 543.0 3.6 40.8 0 0
   11 Locked QAM256 27 555.0 3.5 40.7 1 0
   12 Locked QAM256 28 561.0 3.5 40.8 1 0
   13 Locked QAM256 29 567.0 3.6 40.7 1 0
   14 Locked QAM256 30 573.0 3.7 40.8 0 0
   15 Locked QAM256 31 579.0 3.7 40.7 1 0
   16 Locked QAM256 32 585.0 3.8 40.8 1 0
   17 Locked QAM256 33 591.0 3.7 40.6 2 0
   18 Locked QAM256 34 597.0 3.8 40.7 1 0
   19 Locked QAM256 35 603.0 3.8 40.6 2 0
   20 Locked QAM256 36 609.0 3.8 40.6 0 0
   21 Locked QAM256 37 615.0 3.8 40.6 1 0
   22 Locked QAM256 38 621.0 4.0 40.6 1 0
   23 Locked QAM256 39 627.0 4.0 40.6 0 0
   24 Locked QAM256 40 633.0 4.0 40.5 1 0
   25 Locked QAM256 41 639.0 4.0 40.5 1 0
   26 Locked QAM256 42 645.0 4.0 40.5 1 0
   27 Locked QAM256 43 651.0 3.8 40.3 1 0
   28 Locked QAM256 44 657.0 3.8 40.4 2 0
   29 Locked QAM256 45 663.0 3.7 40.4 2 0
   30 Locked QAM256 46 669.0 3.7 40.3 2 0
   31 Locked QAM256 47 675.0 3.9 39.7 0 0
   32 Locked OFDM PLC 48 722.0 4.4 40.3 359921532 0


   Upstream Bonded Channels  
  
   Channel Lock Status Channel Type Channel ID Symb. Rate (Ksym/sec) Freq. (MHz) Pwr (dBmV)
   1 Locked SC-QAM 1 5120 16.4 48.3
   2 Locked SC-QAM 2 5120 22.8 49.0
   3 Locked SC-QAM 3 5120 29.2 49.3
   4 Locked SC-QAM 4 5120 35.6 49.8
 Event Log  
  
    Time    Priority    Description 
    Time Not Established   Critical (3)   SYNC Timing Synchronization failure - Failed to acquire QAM/QPSK symbol timing;;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1;
    Time Not Established   Critical (3)   No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out;CM-CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1;
    00:31:56
Fri Dec 24 2021
  Critical (3)   SYNC Timing Synchronization failure - Loss of Sync;;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1;
    Time Not Established   Critical (3)   SYNC Timing Synchronization failure - Failed to acquire QAM/QPSK symbol timing;;CM-MAC=;CMTS-CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1;
    Time Not Established   Critical (3)   No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out;CM-CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1;
    Time Not Established   Critical (3)   SYNC Timing Synchronization failure - Failed to acquire QAM/QPSK symbol timing;;CM-M-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1;
    Time Not Established   Critical (3)   No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out;CM-M-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1;
    Time Not Established   Critical (3)   SYNC Timing Synchronization failure - Failed to acquire QAM/QPSK symbol timing;;CM-CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1;
    Time Not Established   Critical (3)   No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out;CM-CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1;
    Time Not Established   Critical (3)   SYNC Timing Synchronization failure - Failed to acquire QAM/QPSK symbol timing;;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1;
    Time Not Established   Critical (3)   No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1;
    Time Not Established   Critical (3)   SYNC Timing Synchronization failure - Failed to acquire QAM/QPSK symbol timing;;CM-;CMTS-MAC=00:00:00:00:00:00;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1;
    Time Not Established   Critical (3)   No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out;CM-CMTS-CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1;
    Time Not Established   Critical (3)   SYNC Timing Synchronization failure - Failed to acquire QAM/QPSK symbol timing;;CM-;CMTS-MAC=00:00:00:00:00:00;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1;
    Time Not Established   Critical (3)   No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out;CM-;CMTS-;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1;
    Time Not Established   Critical (3)   SYNC Timing Synchronization failure - Failed to acquire QAM/QPSK symbol timing;;CM-CMTS-MAC=00:00:00:00:00:00;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1;
    Time Not Established   Critical (3)   No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out;CM-CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1;
    Time Not Established   Critical (3)   SYNC Timing Synchronization failure - Failed to acquire QAM/QPSK symbol timing;;CM-CMTS-;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1;
    Time Not Established   Critical (3)   No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out;CM-;CMTS-CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1;
    Time Not Established   Critical (3)   SYNC Timing Synchronization failure - Failed to acquire QAM/QPSK symbol timing;;CM-;CMTS-;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1;
    Time Not Established   Critical (3)   No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out;CM-;CMTS-CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1;
    Time Not Established   Critical (3)   SYNC Timing Synchronization failure - Failed to acquire QAM/QPSK symbol timing;;MAC=00:00:00:00:00:00;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1;
    Time Not Established   Critical (3)   No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out;CM-;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1;
    Time Not Established   Critical (3)   SYNC Timing Synchronization failure - Failed to acquire QAM/QPSK symbol timing;;CM-;CMTS-MAC=00:00:00:00:00:00;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1;
    Time Not Established   Critical (3)   No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out;CM-;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1;
    Time Not Established   Critical (3)   SYNC Timing Synchronization failure - Failed to acquire QAM/QPSK symbol timing;;CM-;CMTS-MAC=00:00:00:00:00:00;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1;
    Time Not Established   Critical (3)   No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out;CM-;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1;
    Time Not Established   Critical (3)   SYNC Timing Synchronization failure - Failed to acquire QAM/QPSK symbol timing;;CM-;CMTS-MAC=00:00:00:00:00:00;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1;
    Time Not Established   Critical (3)   No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out;CM-;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1;
    Time Not Established   Notice (6)   Honoring MDD; IP provisioning mode = IPv6
    20:17:31
Sat Dec 25 2021
  Notice (6)   DS profile assignment change. DS Chan ID: 32; Previous Profile: ; New Profile: 1 2 3.;CM-S-CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1;
    20:17:51
Sat Dec 25 2021
  Notice (6)   CM-STATUS message sent. Event Type Code: 24; Chan ID: 48; DSID: N/A; MAC Addr: N/A; OFDM/OFDMA Profile ID: 0.;CM-;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1;

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4 years ago

The upstream power is on the high side and it may be intermittently fluctuating even higher to out of spec levels. That can cause random disconnects, spontaneous re-booting of the modem, speed, packet loss, latency problems, and the un-bonding of channels.

In an effort to try to obtain better connectivity / more wiggle room, check to see if there are there any excess/unneeded coax cable splitters in the line leading to the modem that can be eliminated/re-configured. Any splitters that remain should be high quality and cable rated for 5-1000 MHz, bi-directional, and no gold colored garbage from Radio Shack, Home Depot, Target, etc. Splitters should be swapped with known to be good / new ones to test.

Also check the coax cable for any damage such as cuts, nicks, kinks, sharp bends, etc.

If there aren't any unneeded splitters that can be eliminated and if your coax wiring setup can't be reconfigured so that there is a single two-way splitter connected directly off of the drop from the street / pole with one port feeding the modem and the other port feeding the rest of the house/equipment with additional splits as needed and you've checked all the wiring and fittings for integrity and tightness and refresh them by taking them apart then check for and clean off any corrosion / oxidation on the center wire and put them back together again, then perhaps it's best to book a tech visit to investigate and correct.


Good luck with it !

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4 years ago

Thank you for the info. I don’t have any splitters on the incoming cable. Since I have had techs from Xfinity out twice who said the line was good, I wanted to try something else. I got a less expensive Netgear CM700 modem that’s DOCSIS 3.0 instead of 3.1 of the Motorola, it has now been up for 26 hours straight with no hiccups or reboots whatsoever (compared with every hour or two of the Motorola MB8611 rebooting). I can’t figure out why this would be. Does the Netgear working better prove that it’s not the line? Or is the problem in the line going to cause the Netgear to fail over time as well? I’d rather keep the Motorola since it’s more future proof with a higher standard and 2.5 Gbps network capability (which I don’t have yet in my home devices but maybe in the future) for only $25 more than the Netgear, but reliability is the most important. 

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4 years ago

Some modems are more forgiving of less than stellar connection quality conditions than are others.

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4 years ago

Thank you, EG. Do you know of any settings on the MB8611 I could do that might lower its intolerance a bit (even it it lowers its performance slightly?) Or now that it seems much more stable with the Netgear modem should I just stick with that? I'm wondering about still having the Xfinity people out one more time to have them check out my line. 

This is the upstream data as reported on my Netgear device (since you mentioned it was too high on the Motorola). Can upstream power vary by modem and not just the line? 

Upstream Bonded Channels
Channel Lock Status US Channel Type Channel ID Symbol Rate Frequency Power
1 Locked ATDMA 1 5120 Ksym/sec 16400000 Hz 47.5 dBmV
2 Locked ATDMA 2 5120 Ksym/sec 22800000 Hz 48.0 dBmV
3 Locked ATDMA 3 5120 Ksym/sec 29200000 Hz 48.3 dBmV
4 Locked ATDMA 4 5120 Ksym/sec 35600000 Hz 48.5 dBmV
5 Not Locked N/A Unknown 0 Ksym/sec 0 Hz 0.0 dBmV
6 Not Locked N/A Unknown 0 Ksym/sec 0 Hz 0.0 dBmV
7 Not Locked N/A Unknown 0 Ksym/sec 0 Hz 0.0 dBmV
8 Not Locked N/A Unknown 0 Ksym/sec 0 Hz 0.0 dBmV

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@f2point8​ I'm having exactly the same problem. I'm just starting the search for how to find the type of logging and signal levels you are quoting here, but I stumbled upon your post while doing so. Every day, sometimes multiple times a day, I will suddenly lose internet for about 30 seconds to a minute. According to the router, the WAN is going dead. Let me know if you ever found a solution. I was thinking I would try buying another identical router to see if I got a bad one, but if you are having the same problem....

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Please create a new topic of your own here on this board detailing your issue. Thanks. 

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I've been having major issues as well with my Motorola 8611 modem rebooting 10-30 times a day since I bought it.  TLDR: I put a Honeywell HT900D1 fan on my desk blowing air across both my router and modem and I've seen a significant improvement in stability, I don't have enough test time, about 1 week, to vouch for this solution, but I've been good ever since which suggests it might be a real fix.  For months, since day 1, my modem would restart and the past 2 weeks my wifi router (Netgear Nighthawk R7000) started to struggle drastically..., we're approaching summer it's a little hotter in the house, kinda adds up.  But since I put the fan in place, it's been remarkably stable, I'm not sure it has failed since I did this.  I observed on the Nighthawk when it started hard failing, all the lights turned off, except 1 orange and 1 white.  It seemed basically dead.  I noticed it was awfully quiet, could it be overheating b/c the internal fan failed?  Maybe.  Could the wifi router have been causing my modem to fail? Maybe.  Or are both benefiting from the fan, also possible.  I decided to put that sucker full blast blowing air next to my Nighthawk (2 inches away) and it's also hitting the Motorola 8611 modem about 18 inches away.  So far so good

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4 years ago

@customerbob 

Please create a new topic of your own here on this board detailing your issue (copy and paste your post there). Thanks. The original poster has not returned. 5-month-old dead thread is now being closed.
 

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