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Friday, October 21st, 2022 1:59 PM

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10.61.x.y IP -- My Equipment or Xfinity's?

Hi there. Ever since Xfinity maintenance crews did some work to "enhance the network" near me (seemingly to update the infrastructure for the upcoming fiber optic era) September 26-28 (which ended with me getting a text that they could NOT complete the work at this time?), I have had intermittent connection issues. I noticed it because I stream as a part-time job, and this has put a huge damper on my job/income. Nothing had changed in my house, but because the issues were intermittent, I first tried a new laptop and a new modem and Ethernet connection. None of these things solved the issue. Xfinity now has had 2 techs come out: not sure what the first one did because I wasn't home, but the 2nd one was amazing, thorough, and explained what he was doing. He replaced the outside cables to the house and some other outdoor stuff. Unfortunately, the issue continues.

So, I like to problem-solve so I tried to be a tech guy before hounding Xfinity again: after all, it certainly could be something on my end even if I didn't change anything. I tried ping, pathping, traceroute, Ping Tracer (a program), WinMTR, and Wireshark (which I cannot wrap my head around). My question for y'all is:  is a 10.61.x.y IP Address Hop always a private network thing like online implies? Or is there any chance it is Xfinity equipment? I ask because, if it is 100% for sure either the modem or router or something else in my house, then I want to try to figure it out on my own and not waste Xfinity's time anymore. However, if there is any chance a 10.61.x.y IP Address could be an Xfinity product, then I will have a technician come out again. As far as I know, I only have the Netgear Nighthawk modem and a TP Link router, no extra fancy network equipment (that I know of... we moved in 2 years ago). There are other red flags along the route to xfinity.com , but they are mostly that Akamai security hop which makes sense, so I figure the 10.61.x.y is most likely the culprit. I just wanna know if it's definitely something in my house or if there's a chance it could be the cable box/node/whatever (I don't know the terminology, but I've been learning while troubleshooting this! lol).

I see there is a pinned topic, and I will be exploring some of the tips (particularly connecting directly to the modem and going to the modem webpage.. somehow I didn't know that's a thing, only went to router webpage/log... when I tried plugging directly to my Nightgear Nighthawk modem, it didn't seem to work that way but the pinned post says to reset the modem... maybe that'll let me do some tests straight to the modem then).

Thanks for any info! And particularly info related to whether 10.61.x.y is definitely something on my end, or potentially something outside my home,

Jordan

Edit: After doing a little research, it seems others within the last 7-12 months, in different areas, have had issues with a mysterious 10.61.x.y hop after Xfinity did enhancements in their area. If any y'all regulars or employees have more info about this, so I know how to help the next technician/customer service rep the most, please let me know!

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2 years ago

I stumbled across this…

IPv4: 10.61.154.*is Private Use IP.

10.61.154.*is an intranet IP address, which is usually allocated to mobile phones, desktops, laptops, TVs, smart speakers and other devices. The intranet may also have another IP 10.61.154.1, which is usually used as an external gateway, this device is generally a WIFI wireless router or a switch with networking routing function. 

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... Pv4: 10.61.154.*is Private Use IP ...

We know. As was posted earlier in this thread:

All 10.x.y.z addresses are private IPs, not public. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_network#Private_IPv4_addresses.

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My point is, if it’s a phone or laptop etc, not his, something could be compromised routing his internet thru that device… just saying….

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... something could be compromised routing his internet thru that device ...

Possible I suppose, although the device would need to be inserted in the coax line, and I imagine that Comcast would object to that and even they would be able to figure that out.

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FWIW. It's not a LAN device. It's WAN on Comcast's side. It appears that they are starting to NAT / proxy the WAN for some reason in some market areas. 

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Techs should be out within an hour or so. I'm running a test stream so I can hopefully replicate the problem while they're here. Fortunately, this time, cutouts are happening very frequently (let me guess, once they're here, it'll suddenly behave >.< fingers crossed we can replicate it and collaborate to figure this out). I have a test stream going; PingPlotter going to compare; my modem page ready to load (I keep missing the exact moment of latency spikes to see what the numbers look like in that moment, so hard to catch when intermittent!); and my OBS stream log updating real time since that usually shows the disconnects at same time as PingPlotter's latency spikes (interestingly, it's not so much associated with packet loss, tho there often is some of that the biggest indicator on PingPlotter is latency spikes particularly at the hop to the 10.61.x.x device). Prayers we can get this figured out and I can get back to building my streaming community

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@user_0ef58c​ even though this wasn't a full cutout, I was able to screenshot my numbers during a latency spike/fluctuation which almost reached the point of disconnect. But I dont see anything alarming I don't think?

Also, interestingly, when I pulled up Xfinity at that time to look into downgrading deals out of curiosity from another thread, it said "channel(s)" are "impaired" as an outage notice. Hm. May just be related to some work they're trying for me but thought that was interesting.

The most consistent thing noticing today is that the latency spikes seem to start at the 10.61.x.x hop, which has the highest maximum latency out of all my hops (despite being the first one out of my house). Odd

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@user_0ef58c​ Welp, the tech just left. The poor guy, he offered some potential things he could do--replace the drop etc.--all had already been done. Fortunately, I was having stream drops while he was there and had his supervisor, Matt, on the phone. We didn't see anything in the modem numbers etc.  even in the middle of a drop. 

Matt said he escalated this to the line supervisor and others. I begged him to emphasize the September work (I was unsure whether to focus on the 10.61.x.x hop because I don't want to complicate the main correlation, as far as I know the 10.61.x.x hop existed before the September work, but I for sure know the September work correlates with the start of my issue). He said my call will be on hold for now, ugh. But, he assured me the line supervisor/line people will be directly communicating with me, FINALLY, instead of Tech fellas having to be the middlemen for something out of their hand. Matt's only idea would be that it might be something at the plant, because he wasn't seeing issues in the neighborhood nor the node (then again, mine looks like there's no issues even though today it was oddly consistently about 30 minutes between each drop).

Hoping I hear from the line level people soon and that they don't give me the runaround. In the meantime, I will be testing the Tmobile home network. I have my doubts ha, but I need something that works.

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@user_0ef58c​ He reappeared at my door haha. The supervisor, Matt, said that he spoke with the line supervisor people and that they are going to start to try to isolate the issue by checking the plant first and then each pole along the way to mine (I thought we had already opened a ticket for this, but it is what it is). Matt set up a tech appointment for next Sunday as a follow-up. While I like this, I don't like that it resulted back in Matt/tech folks being middlemen for the line/maintenance level people. I urged Matt to emphasize to the line folks that I would like an open line of communication with them. Again, I understand that not every situation warrants that, but when a customer has done their due diligence, and the tech folks have exhausted their ideas, why does maintenance/line get to be impervious to communication with customers? I hope Matt also emphasized that this started after the September work: though I support them trying to isolate the issue, that coincidence is just too glaring. Hopefully those things got communicated to the line folks, but having an open line of communication would guarantee that and also would allow me to collaborate with them and their monitoring data.

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@user_0ef58c​ Sorry for the repeat replies, this should be the last one today. But a lot has happened--and they're separate events/relevant updates. I laid down to nap and woke up to some man in the house! (Lol, my husband let him in.) Finally, a line worker!! He had an upstream SNR chart, which apparently techs can't see, and fluctuations seemed to correspond with my latency spikes/cutouts!! Finally! Since the T3s didn't correspond, I am super happy to hear him agree with me and plan to tell his supervisor, Adam, that. The maintenance tech (Zach) seemed to take genuine interest in his job and a desire to "be the guy that solves" what has probably been an infamous issue for the local teams lol (it seems tech and line couldn't agree whose issue it was to handle). That's what I like to see. 

He is going to try to come out tomorrow or for sure Monday, preferably with multiple guys, to try to pinpoint where the noise is coming from. His biggest concern is that that likely wouldn't relate to the September work, and that after he isolates and solves the SNR issue, if the issue continues, they're kind of at a loss. Still, I am just happy to have a direct line of communication with someone who can actually address the issue; to have it clarified that the T3s aren't the primary concern--the latency spikes are; and to have something being done. Praying they can figure it out, and the 10.61.x.x device and September work aren't related, and that the SNR issue resolves the whole thing! Final update for the day, I promise haha. 

Edit: One frustrating thing though is this whole time, now over a month, tech folks--both local and corporate--made it clear they can't track specific incidents (i.e., when I said I could tell them exact times of the issues, they said that they can just see the number of t3 timeouts etc since the last modem reset). For weeks, including in this thread but elsewhere as well, I have been stressing how valuable it would be for me to share specific times with maintenance level people. Perhaps the delay was because Xfinity was focused on the t3 timeouts, but it was quite ironic to hear Zach ask me today if I could write down when the next drops happen so he can compare them with their chart--which for maintenance goes back 2 weeks!! The exact thing I've been wanting to collaborate with--and fortunately I already had exact times for the drops this morning so we immediately were able to collaborate and come up with the most likely hypothesis yet! I did get his number (not only because hes tall and handsome lol), so that we can have that open line of communication. Figured I'd mention the irony that, once Xfinity finally opened a line of communication with a maintenance tech, we immediately came up with our best hypothesis yet. Only reaffirms my suggestion that Xfinity adjust it's s.o.p. for customers who have done their due diligence and tech has exhausted their ideas.

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I am / have been having the same issues. It is all Comcast - Natting the WAN link. Trace with a tool like PingPlotter - latency from my devices (wired / wireless to router) <4ms - Router to the 10.61.x.x spikes to 300-700MS.. multiplayer games freeze up for a second or two CONSTANTLY.  The next hop from the router used to be to the external interface (Public IP address) since the geniuses decides to change this - I have CONSTANT issues with (games, video freezing etc). GOOD LUCK trying to get someone on the phone that understands anything besides "let me send a test signal and reboot your modem). I have tried new (Comcast) "Gateways" - garbage. Upgraded to 10GB router and my own Motorola 2.5GB modem - same issue. ITS ALL COMCAST - and they could care less about it. All they want is to be able to say "BANDWIDTH is 1GB) - hey a Ferrari goes fast too - not much good if it keeps shutting off is it? COMCAST is  a joke - and they could care less about the stability of their network. QoS doesn't help, VLANS etc. I wish I had an alternative - I would jump at the chance to switch to pure internet instead of this unreliable overpriced, oversubscribed garbage.

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Update: no one came to the neighborhood on Monday. Turns out Zach, whom I really liked and felt will flow up, had a family emergency. Can't help those things.

At last, I heard from the maintenance supervisor himself today (Adam). We talked on the phone and I shared the September work connection, asked about the 10.61 hop (he said routing/networking would know, and that he's quite sure not cg-natting), and shared recent stream drops for them to compare. At least I have his number. I'm still doing the TMobile home network trial, and for any one else wondering, so far it's been stable. Speeds are much lower, of course, and I haven't tried streaming yet because Ive been trying to collaborate with Xfinity people now that I finally have maintenance working with me. So funny how they act like it's so common sense for me to communicate with them, share my stream drop times, etc--the exact thing I've been begging for for almost 2 months now. Anyway fingers crossed they identify the source of the snr, and if that doesn't solve it, figure out how the September work and/or private IP hop might relate to the problem.

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@user_0ef58c​ Fortunately, Adam has been in continuous contact. His guys found something "significant" today and believe they have repaired it. He is not sure that it was the cause of my issue, but at least it's taken care of regardless heh. He says both they and I will monitor today and tomorrow (since they have off for Thanksgiving, of course), and then confirm whether it's fixed on Friday, or crosscheck our data if the issue is not fixed.

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Update: The work they did last Wednesday turned out to be that a neighbor had a melted cable splitter. They replaced that. It seems a bit more stable now but unfortunately still occasional stream drops. 

I am still in contact with Adam, the local net tech supervisor/maintenance fella. He has one potential theory: his monitor data has sporadic gaps in it, some of which correspond to my recent stream drops. He contacted "the national team" who thinks it's just coincidence but will investigate. I also have had contact with Tashona at Corporate Escalations. But unfortunately I closed the ticket prematurely on Monday, since a melted cable splitter definitely seemed a valid solution, then had a stream drop that very same night argh!

I still have not been told what the 10.61.153.2 /.3 hop is. Maybe they can't tell me what it is, but I hope they are considering the fact it has 50+Ms latency while my first hop (to router) is <1ms and 3rd hop (to a 69.x.x.x address) is usually ~10ms. In case that's a piece of the puzzle.

Still no permanent solution here. 

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