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Internet disconnecting multiple times per day

Got a notice from Comcast that work was being done in my area on 11/11.  Since then, my Xfinity modem will periodically loose internet connectivity, detect that, and resync itself.  This is happening multiple times each day with each dropout taking 10 or more minutes to correct itself.  Any recommendations on how to find and fix whatever is causing this?  Have made no changes to the network for months, so I suspect it's upstream of my system somewhere.

 

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Re: Internet disconnecting multiple times per day

What do the modem's signal stats look like ? Try getting them here http://192.168.100.1 or here http://10.0.0.1

Please post the *Downstream Power Level*, the *Upstream Power Level*, and the *SNR* (Signal to Noise Ratio) numbers.

What is the exact make and model number of the modem ?

Is this a WiFi connection ?



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Re: Internet disconnecting multiple times per day

TG1682G Xfinity box with dual-band wifi.  Sequence of events appears to be that the box looses connection to the Internet which means both wifi bands do also, the box recognizes that it's not connected and eventually reconnects itself, followed of course by wifi coming back online.  It's happened about 4 or 5 times already this morning. 

 

 

Upstream        
Index 1 2 3 4
Lock Status Locked Locked Locked Locked
Frequency 29.40 MHz 16.60 MHz 23.00 MHz 35.80 MHz
Symbol Rate 5120 KSym/s 5120 KSym/s 5120 KSym/s 5120 KSym/s
Power Level 46.25 dBmV 46.25 dBmV 45.25 dBmV 46.00 dBmV
Modulation 64 QAM 64 QAM 64 QAM 64 QAM
Channel Type DOCSIS2.0 (ATDMA) DOCSIS2.0 (ATDMA) DOCSIS2.0 (ATDMA) DOCSIS2.0 (ATDMA)

 

Downstream                                                
Index 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24
Lock Status Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked
Frequency 531.00 MHz 537.00 MHz 543.00 MHz 549.00 MHz 555.00 MHz 561.00 MHz 567.00 MHz 573.00 MHz 579.00 MHz 585.00 MHz 591.00 MHz 597.00 MHz 603.00 MHz 609.00 MHz 615.00 MHz 621.00 MHz 627.00 MHz 633.00 MHz 639.00 MHz 645.00 MHz 651.00 MHz 657.00 MHz 663.00 MHz 669.00 MHz
SNR 38.98 dB 38.98 dB 38.98 dB 38.61 dB 40.37 dB 38.98 dB 38.98 dB 38.61 dB 38.61 dB 38.98 dB 38.98 dB 38.98 dB 38.98 dB 38.98 dB 38.98 dB 38.98 dB 38.61 dB 38.61 dB 38.98 dB 38.61 dB 38.61 dB 38.61 dB 38.98 dB 38.98 dB
Power Level -6.00 dBmV -6.50 dBmV -6.40 dBmV -5.80 dBmV -6.10 dBmV -6.00 dBmV -5.90 dBmV -6.50 dBmV -6.80 dBmV -5.90 dBmV -6.00 dBmV -6.10 dBmV -6.00 dBmV -6.70 dBmV -6.90 dBmV -6.80 dBmV -7.20 dBmV -6.90 dBmV -6.80 dBmV -7.20 dBmV -6.90 dBmV -6.50 dBmV -6.60 dBmV -6.20 dBmV
Modulation 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM
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For a test, does a computer hardwired directly to the 1682 with an ethernet cable have the same problem ?



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Yes.  I have a PC directly connected to the Xfinity box via ethernet cable and it also alerts me when it doesn't have internet connectivity.   It usually tells me first, and then I'll notice wifi going out throughout the house (OOMA VOIP drops, iPhone looses connection, etc.).  Eventually everything will come back up once the Xfinity modem resyncs itself after a while.

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O/k so the signal stats are good. Would you please post the RF error / event log entries too.



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I would if I could.  Under Troubleshooting > Logs, when I click on "Show Logs" for either System, Event or Firewall logs for today, it goes off and shows a "Operation in Progress" msg for 10 or 15 seconds which then goes away, but once that occurs, no logs appear for either Printing or Downloading.  It's as though there aren't any.  I did make sure I had Internet connectivity when I did this, so I don't know if it's not recording any logs, or they're further upstream and I have no access to them.  I also tried to get logs for past time periods; no luck there either.

 

I've scheduled a technician visit for tomorrow afternoon.  Should I keep it and, if so, what should I tell him?

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O/k well we've seen a number of posts here lately that indicate that a recent firmware update pushed by CC may have disabled the error log viewing in some or all of their gateway devices so I'm not surprised that you can't view them. This was a big mistake on their part IMO.......

 

Yep. Keep the appointment and show the tech this thread if you feel that you need to. I'll add that although it may or may not be the root cause of the issue, point out to the tech that the downstream power levels are a bit on the weak side and that they may be intermittently fluctuating even lower to out of spec levels. Good luck, and please post back with how things turn out.



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The tech came out today.  Didn't find anything obvious wrong, but he did replace an old cable wall outlet and installed an amp in place of the house's 3-way splitter.  I'll watch things for a while and see if I see any more dropouts - if they continue he recommended swapping out the gateway (same model) to see if perhaps something's wrong with mine.  He thinks it's unlikely, but worth a try if the amp doesn't fix things.  Downstream readings are more robust now:

 

Upstream Channel Bonding Value
Index 1 2 3 4
Lock Status Locked Locked Locked Locked
Frequency 29.40 MHz 16.60 MHz 23.00 MHz 35.80 MHz
Symbol Rate 5120 KSym/s 5120 KSym/s 5120 KSym/s 5120 KSym/s
Power Level 37.68 dBmV 37.50 dBmV 37.00 dBmV 37.50 dBmV
Modulation 64 QAM 64 QAM 64 QAM 64 QAM
Channel Type DOCSIS2.0 (ATDMA) DOCSIS2.0 (ATDMA) DOCSIS2.0 (ATDMA) DOCSIS2.0 (ATDMA)

 

Downstream Channel Bonding Value
Index 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32  
Lock Status Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Not Locked Not Locked Not Locked Not Locked Not Locked Not Locked Not Locked Not Locked  
Frequency 429.00 MHz 435.00 MHz 441.00 MHz 447.00 MHz 453.00 MHz 459.00 MHz 465.00 MHz 471.00 MHz 477.00 MHz 483.00 MHz 489.00 MHz 495.00 MHz 507.00 MHz 513.00 MHz 519.00 MHz 525.00 MHz 531.00 MHz 537.00 MHz 543.00 MHz 549.00 MHz 555.00 MHz 561.00 MHz 567.00 MHz 573.00 MHz                  
SNR 40.37 dB 40.37 dB 40.37 dB 40.95 dB 40.37 dB 40.37 dB 40.37 dB 40.95 dB 40.37 dB 40.37 dB 38.98 dB 40.37 dB 40.95 dB 40.37 dB 40.95 dB 40.37 dB 40.37 dB 40.37 dB 40.37 dB 40.37 dB 40.95 dB 38.98 dB 38.61 dB 38.61 dB                  
Power Level 1.70 dBmV 1.60 dBmV 1.80 dBmV 1.80 dBmV 1.70 dBmV 1.60 dBmV 1.60 dBmV 1.50 dBmV 1.70 dBmV 1.70 dBmV 1.40 dBmV 1.70 dBmV 1.10 dBmV 1.40 dBmV 1.30 dBmV 1.20 dBmV 1.40 dBmV 0.90 dBmV 0.80 dBmV 1.10 dBmV 0.80 dBmV 0.80 dBmV 0.50 dBmV -0.10 dBmV                  
Modulation 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM                  
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Yep. Looks better. Hope this does the trick for you. Good luck !



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Re: Internet disconnecting multiple times per day

So far, so good, but I wanted to ask a question about the downstream results I'm seeing.  In the mornings, the channel values typically range from around -1.0 dBmv to +1.0 dBmv, while in the afternoons, those same values are always higher, from maybe -0.2 dBmv to +1.8 dBmv (different for different channels).  Any thoughts on what might be different in the AM vs. PM?

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Ambient temperature fluctuations cause changes in the resistance of the lines / hardware resulting in signal variations. That fluctuation you posted is very small and not a problem. Under 3 dB of fluctuation is o/k.



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Thanks for the info.  Should be interesting to see what the variation becomes in winter when we sometimes get down to -20 deg. F.

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The AGC (Automatic Gain Control) circuits in the line amplifiers are designed to keep the signal fairly stable regardless of outside conditions. More than a 3-4 dB variation indicates a problem.



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I suspect that something somewhere must have been causing signal dropouts prior to the tech installing the new amp, since nominal levels pre-amp were typically in the -6 to -8 range and, although low, were usually enough to maintain connectivity most of the time, particularly from mid-day onward.  The tech stated that signal levels to the outside connection at the rear of the house were fine, so the amp seems to have compensated for in-house cable losses.  That's good and perhaps any continuing signal dropouts (if they exist) are basically benign to my gateway now since it's starting from much higher nominal signal levels.

 

One thing I have noticed that's different is that before the amp installation I was getting thousands of correctable codeword errors along with hundreds of uncorrectable errors on many channels, while now with the amp inserted, at most I see a couple dozen correctable codeword errors on 4 or 5 channels with zero uncorrectable errors.  I assume if external things start acting up again, I'll probably start seeing many more correctable and uncorrectable codeword errors.  Does that sound like a good assumption?

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@tsmccull wrote:

I assume if external things start acting up again, I'll probably start seeing many more correctable and uncorrectable codeword errors.  Does that sound like a good assumption?


Yes. A more poor quality of the connection will result in more line noise (lower SNR values) / more bit errors.



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It's a warm day today (> 50 deg.), but it looks like some of the DS signal variations are getting close to your 3 to 4 dB deltas when compared to those I recorded in my 11/18 email (particularly on the higher frequencies):

 

Downstream Channel Bonding Value                                              
Index 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24
Lock Status Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked
Frequency 531.00 MHz 537.00 MHz 543.00 MHz 549.00 MHz 555.00 MHz 561.00 MHz 567.00 MHz 573.00 MHz 579.00 MHz 585.00 MHz 591.00 MHz 597.00 MHz 603.00 MHz 609.00 MHz 615.00 MHz 621.00 MHz 627.00 MHz 633.00 MHz 639.00 MHz 645.00 MHz 651.00 MHz 657.00 MHz 663.00 MHz 669.00 MHz
SNR 40.37 dB 38.98 dB 38.98 dB 38.98 dB 40.37 dB 38.98 dB 38.61 dB 38.98 dB 38.98 dB 38.98 dB 38.61 dB 38.61 dB 38.98 dB 38.98 dB 38.61 dB 38.98 dB 38.61 dB 38.98 dB 38.61 dB 38.61 dB 38.98 dB 38.98 dB 38.61 dB 38.98 dB
Power Level -0.10 dBmV -0.60 dBmV -0.60 dBmV -0.30 dBmV -0.50 dBmV -0.60 dBmV -0.90 dBmV -1.50 dBmV -1.80 dBmV -1.20 dBmV -1.30 dBmV -1.10 dBmV -1.30 dBmV -1.90 dBmV -1.90 dBmV -2.10 dBmV -2.50 dBmV -2.10 dBmV -2.10 dBmV -2.60 dBmV -2.00 dBmV -1.90 dBmV -2.00 dBmV -1.60 dBmV
Modulation 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM
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Everything is well within spec. Are you still having problems ? If not, don't sweat it.



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Re: Internet disconnecting multiple times per day

Everything still seems to be working, but I'm starting to see uncorrectable codewords listed by the router for the first time since the amp was installed.  DS signal levels remain in the -2 to +0.5 dBmv range on the various channels, at least when I happen to look at them.

 

Question:  without the router's log function working, is there any practical way to monitor what happens over time as far as signal level changes and/or errors seen in the data stream?  I assume not, but wanted to ask.  Thanks.

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Scripts can be written to poll for and track the modem signal data. You can Google for more info. It may be easier to just monitor them periodically.



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I used the trial version of pingplotter to monitor some routes in Comcast's network.  Didn't see any local issues during those checks, but did see some major data dropouts when going through a Comcast hub in Chicago, but that didn't impact my local connection.  However, I am seeing some degradation of the signal levels at my router in the mornings.  Right after the tech installed the amp, I was getting levels from around 0 to +1.6 dBmv or so.  This morning I'm seeing the following along with over a thousand uncorrectable errors on several channels (the ones with the least signal levels - 7 thru 12 or so).  Looks like a relative drop of 4 to 5+ dB over a period of a couple of weeks.  I'm not seeing any internet dropouts on my system yet, but if those same fluctuations were occuring when my nominal signal levels were in the -7 to -8 dBmv range prior to the amp, perhaps that's what was causing the router to loose connectivity.  Why the signal levels are changing that much is a mystery to me since nothing inside the house has been touched since the tech was here.

 

I would have thought signal levels would tend to drop at the higher frequency end due to cable losses, etc., but this data implies that there's more loss in the center of the channel frequency band which I find odd.

 

Downstream Channel Bonding Value                                              
Index 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24
Lock Status Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked Locked
Frequency 531.00 MHz 537.00 MHz 543.00 MHz 549.00 MHz 555.00 MHz 561.00 MHz 567.00 MHz 573.00 MHz 579.00 MHz 585.00 MHz 591.00 MHz 597.00 MHz 603.00 MHz 609.00 MHz 615.00 MHz 621.00 MHz 627.00 MHz 633.00 MHz 639.00 MHz 645.00 MHz 651.00 MHz 657.00 MHz 663.00 MHz 669.00 MHz
SNR 40.37 dB 38.98 dB 40.37 dB 40.37 dB 38.98 dB 38.61 dB 38.61 dB 37.64 dB 37.64 dB 38.61 dB 38.61 dB 38.61 dB 38.61 dB 38.61 dB 38.98 dB 38.61 dB 38.61 dB 38.61 dB 38.61 dB 38.61 dB 38.61 dB 38.98 dB 38.98 dB 38.61 dB
Power Level 0.20 dBmV -0.40 dBmV -0.70 dBmV -0.70 dBmV -1.40 dBmV -1.90 dBmV -2.60 dBmV -3.50 dBmV -3.80 dBmV -3.10 dBmV -2.80 dBmV -2.20 dBmV -2.10 dBmV -2.50 dBmV -2.20 dBmV -2.20 dBmV -2.50 dBmV -1.90 dBmV -1.90 dBmV -2.30 dBmV -1.70 dBmV -1.50 dBmV -1.60 dBmV -1.20 dBmV
Modulation 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM 256 QAM
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Further posting here will not fix your issue, unfortunately. You need to get the techs re-involved.  Bear in mind that if the premises facing techs can not find or fix a problem at your home, it is they who are responsible for escalating it to their line / network / maintenance dept. techs. The problem may lie beyond your home in the local neighborhood infrastructure somewhere but it is their S.O.P. to start at the home. Good luck with it.



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